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Posted: 20 Jun 2015 12:16AM GMT
Classification: Immigration
Josiah Warne(parents john & Elizabeth Harris Warne) moved to moved to Wrexham
to live with his brother. I have a Print of an outdoor scene at my Ready family tree.
I was told that it might be of a place in Trollong, Powys, in Breconshire. Does anyone know if
any Warnes lived there. Josiah & his brothers were miners & moved around a lot

Re: Warne

Posted: 20 Jun 2015 11:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,
... but you did'nt give us any dates?

Regards

Sandra

Re: Warne

Posted: 22 Jun 2015 12:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 22 Jun 2015 5:58PM GMT
Sometime between 1861 and 1871 it appears that most of the Warne family left Cornwall and moved to Wales. They were lead miners.

On the 1871 census Elizabeth (now a widow) is living in the village of Coedpoeth, to the west of Wrexham. Her husband John presumably died in Cornwall.
Living with her are married son James and single Samuel. Another son, is married and with three children (all born in Cornwall).

Elizabeth died in Coedpoeth in 1880.
James had left Cornwall between 1851 and 1861 and had moved to Carmarthen, Wales and married there. He had moved to Coedpoeth by 1871 (but his family were still in Carmarthen) and remained in Coedpoeth, where he died in 1895.
John also remained in Coedpoeth, where he died in 1895.
Samuel married Mary Williams in Wrexham in 1874 and, by 1881, they were living in Midlothian, Scotland.
Emanuel appears in the 1861 census in County Durham, England.
The other son, Francis, "possibly" emigrated to Australia???

But, unfortunately, you are not going to find Josiah in Wales! On the 1861 Census he was living in Cornwall but in 1869 he married in Manhattan, NYC, USA. So if he did live in Coedpoeth it was between censuses.

There are several Warnes still living in Wrexham today.

I've no idea why they would have lived in Trallong in Breconshire, Wales though. As it's on the edge of the Beacons there may have been some lead mines in that area but I'm not aware of any? If they did live there then, again, it must have been briefly and between censuses? I can't find the photo on your site.
Which person is it attached to? Is it the postcard of a lake below a range of mountains attached to several people in your tree??? If so, this is most definitely NOT Cornwall, not even Britain! It's Alpine, more likely to be Switzerland, Austria, southern Germany, northern Italy ....
Posted: 1 Jul 2015 5:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
There is an extensive published literature on Cornish migration to other UK non-ferrous metal mining districts, and internationally (especially USA and Australia).

James Warne very likely travelled by ship from north Devon or Cornwall to Carmarthen (or another port), as there was a frequent service between south Wales and the west country, with coal from south Wales being exported to the West Country and copper and lead ores forming a return cargo to Swansea, Llanelli and Neath. As well as limited passenger numbers carried by freight ships, there were also passenger services across the Bristol Channel.

James would have worked in the Vale of Towy Lead & Zinc Mine on the south east outskirts of Carmarthen, the only mine anywhere near the town that was active in 1861. The mine saw considerable in vestment from the early 1850s onwards and was rapidly expanded and deepened (reaching 744ft deep by the early 1860s). At its peak in 1856 it employed 1856, declining to 100 by 1863-64 by which time it had changed from being mainly a lead producer to mainly a zinc producer. Activity greatly decreased after 1865 and this run down may have prompted James to move to the major lead-zinc mining district of North East Wales.

There are no mines, metal or otherwise, anywhere near Trallong.

Hope this context helps fill in a little detail of James's movements.

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