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Re: GLADDA-pre1620

seanpat — 2012-12-05 21:53:17Z

Hi my ancestor was David Gladders arrived in County Durham in the 1640s. Married Elizabeth Brown in 1645 at Lamesley church.
I would like to hear from you. Just read your message.

Brydone, MacKenzie, Robertson, Liddle, Lancashire, Islington, Worcestershire ca 1811-1860s

ggransberg2 — 2012-12-02 19:09:41Z

John Brydone, wife Christina MacKenzie Robertson; his uncle James Liddle
I found a beautiful family Bible in an antique shop in Fremantle, Western Australia, while on vacation and was allowed to photograph the family entries, etc., and will share them with anyone interested, as well as where the Bible is located, etc.
Bible was a gift to John Brydone in December 1861, from his uncle, James Liddle.
John married Christina MacKenzie Robertson in Edinburgh on December 12, 1861, so the Bible must have been a wedding gift.
Children born to John and Christina were recorded in the Bible, along with specific addresses where they lived, baptisms, places, ministers officiating, full names, etc. People recorded are:
John Brydone, b. 2 Aug 1839, Dublin St. Edinburgh
Christina MacKenzie Robertson b. 30 June 1836, Sylvan Way, Edinburgh
Married 12 Dec. 1861 at 84 Dawriston Pl, Edinburgh
Children of John and Christina:
Joseph Gordon MacKenzie Brydone b.23 Sept. 1862 at 100 Laursiton Pl, Edinburgh.
Elizabeth Liddle Brydone b 3 Sept. 1865 at 11 Portland Place, Edinburgh.
John Brydone b. 9 Dec. 1868, 37 Oakley rd, Islington, London, England
James Edward Nixon Brydone, b. 25 January 1871, in The Priory, Stoke Rior, w. Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, England. A note says the the name "Nixon" was accidentally omitted when James was baptised, so his registered name didn't include Nixon.
Christina MacKenzie Robertson Brydone, b. 23 January, 1873, in Heath House, near Bromsgrove, Worcestershire. Her baptism is not recorded.
Please contact me if you would like to have photocopies of this Bible and its entries, as well as its location and price in Australia.

Re: Dobsons in Wollen Trade

coopshabs — 2012-09-12 20:23:51Z

Adam Dobson is my Great great grandfather, and many of the family still lives in Cannington, and he is the one that started the wollen mill. He had a son named Adam as well who is my Great grandfather.

Re: William Moffat

stallion20000 — 2012-08-16 19:29:38Z

The William Moffat you are looking for I think was born on 25th Dec. 1789 in Peebles. He was a jeweller. He married Catherine Ronaldson on 9th Jan 1817. He is my great great grandad. i dont know when William died but Catherine died on 22nd March 1861. I know he had a son William born 1827. He married Lillias Coutts on3rd June 1859. Their son John born 22 nd July 1868 and married Margaret Prentice 2nd dec 1892.

Re: Bertram, Cecelia in glenholm

ShirleyCLewis — 2012-04-27 03:07:43Z

Sorry, I have not run into a Mary Bertram in my searching.

Re: Veitch family circa 1500-1600

rosaries — 2012-03-25 18:52:05Z

Hi my line is James/margaret- William..then william married----Marion Fleming her line is William /Elizabeth Brisbone Fleming......maybe we are connected somehow...therechildren were Alexander Davidson and Christian Veitch...let me know thanks..my email is charlottemuzichuck@hotmail.com

James Robertson Scott

mbjensen_1 — 2012-03-21 04:31:32Z

I am searching for my grandfather's family. He came to Canada in late 1800's from Peebles, Scotland.He had a brother Bill who came as well. James was exiled from Scotland at age 14 years or so for fishing ( poaching ) in the lord's stream.

Tait and Thomson Peebles

JMR4748 — 2012-03-19 11:23:00Z

Grocers between 1861 and 1891 in Northgate, Peebles

Re: BROTHERSTON, BROTHERSTAINS, BROTHERSTANES

Lois_Moon — 2012-02-16 09:00:12Z

Hi Peter
I am descended from Stephen BROTHERSTONE and Margaret THOMSON of Tranent, E Lothian. We think that the Stephen who was killed in the 1797 massacre at Tranent is 'our' Stephen. His first wife was Janet RICHARDSON.

Lois
in British Columbia, Canada

Re: Wilson Family

Joaniemcroni — 2012-02-08 01:41:10Z

Any one with more info on the Thomson family would be appreciated. My grandfather and great grandfather were both William Thomson. They were from Ayershire, Scotland. My great grandfather was a Presbyterian minister and married Minnie McVean. My grandfather was born 1884, married Elizabeth Bulloch in 1913 in Victoria,BC,Canada.MY mother and uncle were born there. My grandfather went back to Scotland and fought in WW1 for the British Army. They later emigrated to the U S

Re: Sinclair Family in Peebles

1_Kanawha — 2012-02-01 20:57:29Z

Dear Ann,

Can help with the Sinclair connections in Peebles and Penicuik. My father worked as a butcher in the penicuik shop.
E-mail kanawha@btinternet.com
James Sinclair

Re: Sinclair Family in Peebles

1_Kanawha — 2012-02-01 20:55:38Z

Dear Ann,

Can help with the Sinclair connections in Peebles and Penicuik. My father worked as a butcher in the penicuik shop.

James Sinclair

Helen Leishman born 1827,West Linton, Peebleshire

jonkabat — 2012-01-08 22:14:00Z

Looking for Helen Leishman born abt. 1827 in West Linton, Peebleshire.
She married Robert Russell of Dolphinton, Lanarkshire and they raised a family in Dolphinton, Lanarkshire.

Re: NEWLANDS BRUNTONS

robertlang60 — 2011-12-31 02:29:47Z

I have a Charles Telfer b 15 Aug 1826 at Newlands. The OPR shows his father as Charles Telfer and his mother as Margt. Brunton.
I have no further information at this time.
But I'll wager there's a connection.
Kindest Regards.

Re: Lookup MI West Linton BRODIE

gt1314 — 2011-11-13 12:18:03Z

Sorry, I have three Alexanders but none with a father John.

Re: Lookup MI West Linton BRODIE

Alastair_Banks — 2011-11-13 01:27:44Z

I had an ancestor Alexander Brodie whose OPR marriage record from Westruther, Berwick read, "Alexander Brodie in the parish of Linton & Martha Hastings [Hastie] in this parish had their irregular marriage confirmed".

Alexander's death record gave his father as John Brodie, farmer.

I was wondering if there was a mention of John Brodie?

Re: Lookup MI West Linton BRODIE

gt1314 — 2011-11-12 23:42:58Z

Alastair

Were you looking for the gravestone of a particular BRODIE or were you looking for information on BRODIES of West Linton?

Re: veitch

jamespaton83 — 2011-10-25 10:10:45Z

to 51738 - Sorry for any delay in answering --- been busy --- Thanks for the info -- itwas a great help - I am now sure that Walter was either name he used or middle name of Alexander -- But I am still looking -- Regards Jim

Re: veitch

51738 — 2011-10-14 12:53:38Z

No Helen Miller or Watt married in Scotland to a Walter Veitch on Scotlands People .
Had a look for your lot - tree as I have it is below - I am not related.
Plenty of Walter Veitches on my site at www.chouston.f2s.com
Regards
Charles
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Descendants of James CATHIE

Generation No. 1

1. James1 CATHIE was born Abt. 1779 in of Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland. He married Jean HILL. She was born Abt. 1783 in of Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland.

Child of James CATHIE and Jean HILL is:
+ 2 i. Isabella (Bell)2 CATHIE, born Abt. 02 Sep 1804 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland.

Generation No. 2

2. Isabella (Bell)2 CATHIE (James1) was born Abt. 02 Sep 1804 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland. She married John BERTRAM. He was born Abt. 1802 in of Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland, and died Bef. Apr 1851 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland.

More About Isabella (Bell) CATHIE:
Occupation 1: Apr 1871, Housekeeper at Elcho St., Peebles
Occupation 2: Apr 1851, Widow, sewing and english teacher at North Side , Market Street, Haddington

More About John BERTRAM:Occupation: Jun 1841, Mason at Court St., Haddington

Children of Isabella CATHIE and John BERTRAM are:
+ 3 i. Jane3 BERTRAM, born 08 Jan 1827 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland.
4 ii. Robert BERTRAM, born 01 Jun 1834 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland.
5 iii. Helen BERTRAM, born 18 Oct 1835 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland.
6 iv. James Cathie BERTRAM, born 1837 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland; died 1897 in Peebles, Peebles, Scotland.
7 v. Isabella BERTRAM, born 1840 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland.

Generation No. 3

3. Jane3 BERTRAM (Isabella (Bell)2 CATHIE, James1) was born 08 Jan 1827 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland. She married William WATT 17 Oct 1847 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland. He was born Abt. 1823 in of Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland.

More About William WATT and Jane BERTRAM:
Marriage: 17 Oct 1847, Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland

Children of Jane BERTRAM and William WATT are:
8 i. John4 WATT, born 1848 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland.

More About John WATT:Occupation: Apr 1871, Private in Queens Own Hussars living with Grandmother Isabella Bertram at Elcho St., Peebles

+ 9 ii. Helen WATT, born 1852 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland; died 1928 in Peebles, Peebles, Scotland.

Generation No. 4

9. Helen4 WATT (Jane3 BERTRAM, Isabella (Bell)2 CATHIE, James1) was born 1852 in Haddington, East Lothian, Scotland, and died 1928 in Peebles, Peebles, Scotland. She married David MILLER 1872 in Peebles, Peebles, Scotland, son of James MILLER and Helen CLARK. He was born 1849 in Hawick, Roxburgh, Scotland, and died 1893 in Peebles, Peebles, Scotland.

More About Helen WATT:Occupation: Apr 1871, Dressmaker living with Grandmother Isabella Bertarm at Elcho St., Peebles
More About David MILLER:Occupation: Apr 1881, Weaver at Biggiesknowe, Peebles

Children of Helen WATT and David MILLER are:
10 i. Ellen Clark5 MILLER, born 1873 in Peebles, Peebles, Scotland.
11 ii. James MILLER, born 1877 in Peebles, Peebles, Scotland.
12 iii. David MILLER, born 1879 in Peebles, Peebles, Scotland.

Re: veitch

jamespaton83 — 2011-10-14 10:12:49Z

Hi -- sorry for confusion -- Helen M.S. was WATT she married my great grandad David MILLER in 1872 in Peebles - I think he was born 1850 in Hawick He died 1893 in Peebles --- Helen then was supposed to have married Walter Veitch --- I have them both in the 1911 census and Walter as husband on Helen's Death Certificate (1928 in Peebles) - I can find a Helen Miller marrying an Alexander Veitch but parents are not right -- hope that is a better explanation -- Regards Jim

Re: veitch

doodle55 — 2011-10-14 08:58:26Z

Hi
Just found your message a bit confusing, is that Walter Veitch married Helen Miller nee Watt (?married twice). So who is David? Is that David Veitch? I have Veitch from Peebles in my line so just trying to clarify it.
Regards
Linda

veitch

jamespaton83 — 2011-10-13 08:01:39Z

I am trying to find the marriage of Walter Veitch to my Great Grandmother (Helen Miller) Nee WATT My Great Grandad David died in 1893 (Peebles) also his death -- Any help would be great

Re: Blaikie family history

doodle55 — 2011-09-24 09:50:33Z

Hi
I thought that Jessie Downie was Jessie Auld Downie married to David Grierson Shanks. Is that incorrect. I am Linda Boyd and Thomas Bain Downie was my great grandfather. My email is thistledo@y7mail.com
I live in Australia.

Re: Blaikie family history

grantbuttars — 2011-09-23 06:46:03Z

Dear David,

Yes, you've got it! Don't want to say too much about living people in this public forum but if you want to contact me via my website http://www.taybank.org.uk/ (contact link at top right), we can continue this by email.

Regards

Grant

Re: Blaikie family history

dgshanks1 — 2011-09-22 19:16:30Z

Grant..you must be married to my Uncle David's daughter right? Who's my dad's younger brother! DS

Re: Blaikie family history

dgshanks1 — 2011-09-22 19:03:49Z

Hi folks...I'm reading this with interest and confused! Jessie Blaikie Downie was my grandmother. She had four sons with David Grierson Shanks and my own father Thomas Downie Shanks ( b 1931) is very much alive (second son!).

Grant, how can Jessie be your wife's grandmother?

David Grierson Shanks

Re: Innerlethen, Peeblesshire - Interments 1824 to 1854

wendyladd17 — 2011-09-15 20:45:25Z

Hello Larry. You seem quite knowledgeable about cemeteries. Do you perhaps know if there is an online list of the cemeteries in Fife and who is buried in them? I live in Canada and am interested in cemeteries in Strathmiglo, Cupar, Dunfermline, Kirkcaldy and Abboshall.
Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

Re: Re-Doherty Peebleshire.

kirkurd43 — 2011-09-11 05:13:50Z

hi very sorry am very late if you are still looking for your family i do have a bernard in the tree but thats as far as i hve got email kirkurd1943@gmail.com

william swanston

davidm1945 — 2011-08-24 17:21:26Z

peebles peeblesshire scotland last info lived with murray son in law 1891 looking for any info on birth parents etc

Re: Richardson-Peebles Scotland

doodle55 — 2011-08-11 09:11:59Z

Hi
Contact me on thistledo@y7mail.com and I will send a gedcom

Richardson-Peebles Scotland

HelenFreeman56 — 2011-08-10 05:21:11Z

David Richardson born abt 1847 at Peebles Scotland OR Devon England, parents believed to be George and Eliza (nee Saunter) Richardson. David is my great grandfather. It is thought that he came to Australia when aged abt 16. I have established his life in Australia but have been unable to find any information abt David prior to arriving in Aust or anything about his ancestors. Any information would be greatful. David married Susan Woolley in 1878, 10 children born. Widowed & married Mary Maslen 1906, 1 female child. Thank you, Helen

Re: Ballantyne - Walkerburn

TerryBallantine — 2011-07-03 17:53:41Z

Hi Alan,
I'd be very interested in learning more about the Ballantyne family you reference. I'm trying to locate my Ballantine's in Scotland; and while a long shot, one never knows.
I've got a John and Mary (McShannon/Shannon) Ballantine; he was born around 1761 and Mary in 1770. I know they left Scotland for N Ireland in the late 1700s, but nothing before that.
Thanks for any assistance -
Cheers,
Terry

Re: Andrew Reive

maxrose180 — 2011-06-22 22:08:29Z

Thanks Catherine, I now remember Greg talking about a Catherine!!! Wilo keep ears and eyes open for any further info.
Cheers
Maxine

Re: Andrew Reive

Craigarol — 2011-06-22 20:56:34Z

Hi Maxine,
Thank you for your e/mail. I have a copy of the old tree, infact Greg Reive came once to visit when he was in Scotland. I also am decended from son Andrew 1797. His grave is at Kirkpatrick Juxa, It has on the stone 'He who lived a humble & virteous life avoiding sin & wicked strife '. I have followed up most of his brothers & sisters, but as I said can't find any trace of birth or death of their father Andrew 1750 or who his parents were. Please let me know if you find any more information on Andrew Reive 1750. I have not been in touch with decendants of Thomas, although I did get some details about them from someone some time ago. Sister Isabella 1807 also emigrated to Canada and married John Patterson.
I don't come across many people searching for my branch of Reives.
Catherine

Re: Andrew Reive

maxrose180 — 2011-06-22 05:51:50Z

Hi there
Just been looking at my info and will see if this can fit in this message for you.
I ANDREW REIVE – 1750 - 1812

Andrew married Isabella Blake at Midraeburn, Dumfries Scotland on 27 May 1791 by Rev. McGrier, associate Minister in Ettrick Forest, county of Selkirk, Scotland. Andrew was a farmer in Harewoodhead Farm, Eskdale Dumfries. (Some indexes show the name to be Black).

He was probably a descendant (son) of Andrew Reive who was in possession of a large sheepholding in Glendinning, Westerkirk, Dumfries. Andrew Reive (Westerkirk) was probably a subscriber to a book of sermons which was published in 1741.

Andrew and Isabella had nine children over a period of 17 years

1 Betty 20 April 1792
2 William 4 December 1793 (ancestor of George Reive- Canada)
3 Bridget 31 July 1795
4 Andrew 13 May 1797 (ancestor of Greg Reive) this is my research here in Australia.
5 George 21 April 1799
6 Jean 28 August 1801
7 Thomas 17 July 1804 (emigrated to Canada)
8 Isabella 15 July 1807
9 Margaret July 1809

Andrew died 20 May 1812 and his wife Isabella had died 11 days before on 9 May, apparently when they were living in Eskdale.

It is not known where they are buried.

I think this information came from a descendant of George, who did this early research in the late 1800s. That 2nd para has been handed down through the families and is purported to come from research done by the descendant of one of the children of Andrew and Isabella. The line I researched is Andrew, 4th child and I made contact with descendants of Thomas who went to Canada.
Maxine

Re: Andrew Reive

maxrose180 — 2011-06-21 23:59:56Z

Hi Catherine
I have been researching this family for a friend and may be able to help you,give me some time as I have just returned from a trip. No longer subscribing to Ancestry though so perhaps a contact outside may be the way to go. Will get back to you shortly.
Maxine

Re: Andrew Reive

Craigarol — 2011-06-21 20:34:13Z

Hi,
I too am trying to find out about Andrew Reive 1750 & Isabella Blake, but hitting a brick wall. I looked up 2 of their sons deaths on Scotlands People and it gives mother as Isabella Black. There is an earlier Andrew married an Isabella Black in 1728 at Eskdalemuir but that is too early for our Andrew, as his family were born 1792-1809. I have searched the graveyards around the Morton/Thornhill Dumfriesshire area as they seemed to have been living there about 1807 where daughter Isabella was born, but found nothing. Most of their children were born around Eskdalemuir. Do hope someone can solve this mystery.
Catherine

Re: Andrew Reive

gr7861 — 2011-06-11 12:07:35Z

Hi,
I am in Australia and that branch with George in it is the same branch I am in I would say.
I have Isabella Blake in my tree as well.

Josephine Isabella Cumming Clarke

Gordonkf — 2011-05-25 14:56:43Z

I have a relative, Josehpine Isabella Cumming Clarke b 1869, who I followed until 1901. I've not been able to locate her on the 1911 Scotland census. She died in 1919 in Peebles. Is there any "current" information available that is accessable over the net? Directories, newspapers obituaries, etc. in the 1919 time period.

Per her death record she was married to Alexander Fraser, gamekeeper and was in Newlands Parish.

Thanks

Re: Bertram, Cecelia in glenholm

ShirleyCLewis — 2011-05-16 02:53:13Z

Sorry, I have not run into those names in my searches.

Re: John Rose and Helen Grieve

BILLGROSE52 — 2011-05-06 18:55:22Z

Steven Line
JAMES STEVENS (JOHN STEVENS3, JOHN STEVENS2, WALTER STEVENS1) was born 20 OCT 1798 in Traquhair, Peeblesshire, Scotland, and died 27 FEB 1861 in Innerleithen, Peeblesshire, Scotland. He married BEATRICE MURRAY on the 14 MAY 1830 in Stow, Midlothian, Scotland, daughter of Unknown MURRAY and ISABELLA TROTTER. She was born ABT 1811, and died 13 FEB 1876 in Innerleithen, Peeblesshire, Scotland.
NOTES for James Steven.
James Steven, born on the 20th of October 1798, son to John Steven, in Tanielburn.
Source: GROS DATA, STEVEN, JAMES (O.P.R. Births 771/ 0010 0068 Traquair or Traquhair)

The following is his marriage entry....
James Stevens, a servant in Bankhouse, High Street, Innerleithen, married Beatrice Murray a servant in Galabank both of the Parish of Stow, Midlothian. On the 14th May 1830.
Source: GROS DATA, STEVENS, JAMES (O.P.R. Marriages 699/ 0050 0185 Stow)

1841 CENSUS, High Street, Lauder, Berwickshire.
James Steven 40 Carrier
Beatrice Steven 30
William Steven 8
Isabella Steven 6
James Steven 1

1851 CENSUS, Lauder, Berwickshire.
James Stevens, aged 50, born abt. 1801, Head, Traquhair, Peeblesshire, Carter and Cadger.
Beatrix Stevens, aged 42, born abt. 1809, wife, Galashiels, Selkirkshire.
James Stevens, aged 11, born abt. 1840, son, Lauder, Berwickshire. Scholar.
Walter Stevens, aged 8, born abt. 1842, son, Lauder, Selkirkshire. Scholar.
John Stevens, aged 4. born abt. 1847, son, Lauder, Berwickshire.

James, died on 27th of February 1861 at Innerleithen. He is described on his death certificate as, James Stevens, Carter, (married to Beatrice Murray), male, about 62 years. Parents: John Stevens, Farmer, (deceased) and Elizabeth Tait, (deceased). His death was registered by his son-in-law, John Rose. (husband of his daughter Isabella Stevens)
Source: GROS DATA [Statutory Deaths 762/00 0005]

NOTES for Beatrice Murray.
I am unable to find birth or baptism records for Beatrice Murray. According to census records, she was born circa 1811.
The following is her marriage entry....
James Stevens, a servant in Bankhouse, High Street, Innerleithen, married Beatrice Murray a servant in Galabank (Country House, on the A7 a mile north of Stow), both of the Parish of Stow, Midlothian. On the 14th May 1830.
Source: GROS DATA, STEVENS, JAMES (O.P.R. Marriages 699/ 0050 0185 Stow)

1841 CENSUS, High Street, Lauder, Berwickshire.
James Steven 40 Carrier
Beatrice Steven 30
William Steven 8
Isabella Steven 6
James Steven 1

1851 CENSUS, Lauder, Berwickshire.
James Stevens, aged 50, born abt. 1801, Head, Traquhair, Peeblesshire, Carter and Cadger.
Beatrix Stevens, aged 42, born abt. 1809, wife, Galashiels, Selkirkshire.
James Stevens, aged 11, born abt. 1840, son, Lauder, Berwickshire. Scholar.
Walter Stevens, aged 8, born abt. 1842, son, Lauder, Selkirkshire. Scholar.
John Stevens, aged 4. born abt. 1847, son, Lauder, Berwickshire.

She died on 13th February 1876, at Morningside, Innerleithen. She is described on her death certificate as Beatrice Stevens, Illegitimate, (widow of James Stevens, Carrier), female aged 73 years. Parents: -------- Murray, Farmer (deceased) and Isabella Trotter, (deceased). Her death was registered by her son Walter Stevens. If the information he provided is correct, then she was born in 1803, which would have made her 8 years older than she declared on her census entries.

Children of JAMES STEVENS and BEATRICE MURRAY are:
i. WILLIAM STEVEN was born 1833 in Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland.
ii. ISOBELLA STEVENS was born 1837, and died 05 JUN 1904 in Cannongate, Edinburgh..
iii. JAMES STEVEN was born 1840 in Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland.
iv. WALTER STEVEN was born ABT 1843 in Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland.
v. JOHN STEVENS was born ABT 1847 in Lauder, Berwickshire, Scotland.

Re: John Rose and Helen Grieve

BILLGROSE52 — 2011-05-06 14:44:55Z

Thank you for the above reply, but there are several things wrong in your posting. John and Isabella had 6 children that reached maturity. I know about John and Isobella, It's John's Parents I am searching for.
John Rose, was born around 1833. (I am unable to find him in the 1841 and 1851 census) In his census entries (1861-1911) he lists himself as being born in Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, with the exception of 1881, when he lists his place of birth as Renfrew, Renfrewshire.
(The OPRs show a birth in Renfrew at this time for a John Rose, but this John Rose married Jessie Tosh in 1860 in Arbroath his occupation being listed as Railway Clerk, and is clearly not as his parents are: Alexander Rose and Marjory Pitfield.)
The paper trail back to John is watertight and the information below is well researched, but his place and date of birth remains a mystery. His parents are John Rose and Helen Grieve, as confirmed by his marriage and his death certificates, but to date, I have not found a birth for this John, or a marriage, birth or death for his parents, until I do, his parents remain the earliest known ancestors in my Rose line.
The earliest paper evidence I can find for John lists him, "of Glen Parish of Traquair", near Innerleithen. He married Isabella Stevens on 25th September 1857 at Peebles. His marriage certificate describes him as, "John Rose aged 23 years, of Glen Parish of Traquair, Plasterer, Batchelor, Parents: John Rose (Joiner), Helen Grieve, (deceased)"

In 1861 (April), I find him living at 73 Nicholson Street, Edinburgh, as a lodger and plasterer, (born abt. 1833 Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire), having left Isabella and young John in Innerleithen, while he tries to establish a foothold for his family in Edinburgh. He wasn't alone for long, their second child, Beatrice was born on 22 October 1861, at St. Cuthbert, Edinburgh, thus suggesting that he moved Isabella and young John to Edinburgh, before that date, and that they were together (conception) around January 1861. It is likely that Beatrice was conceived in Innerleithen. This means John (likely) moved to Edinburgh after January 1861, and that Isabella joined him there after 8th April 1861 (census date) and before 22nd October 1861 (birth of Beatrice). John, registered the death of Isabella's father on 27th February 1861, at Innerleithen, who had been suffering from cancer for about four months, I'm inclined to think that it was after this date that John moved to Edinburgh.

In 1871, living at 2 Eglington Street, Edinburgh, (born abt. 1833, Aberdeen), with spouse Isabella, (born Roxburgh) and with their 5 children. He is described as a Grocer. An occupation change, but Spouse and children, confirm that this is the same family.

In 1881, he has moved into 6 Eglington Street in addition to number 2, as his family grows. The same 5 children ages 9 to 22 are still living at home with their parents. He is described as a grocer. Strangely he is listed as being born in Renfrew, Renfrewshire. I am convinced that this is an error. All his other census enties list him as born in Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire, the details for his spouse, and all of his children are consistent with previous and future entries and known details, therefore I'm convinced of this mistake. (Confusingly, there is another John Rose [born Renfrew] and his spouse Isabella [born Abercorn, Linlithgow] living in Edinburgh, around this time, but their children and Isabella's birth place are not consistant with this family)

In 1891, he is back at Rose Cottage, Princes Street, Innerleithen, (born abt. 1833, Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire) with Isabella S, and son William. He is described as a plasterer. Again this is a big change in circumstances, but all the details are consistant with this family. This is the same property we find Isabella and John junior living at, in 1861.

In 1901, at the age of 68, (born abt. 1833, Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire) he and Isabella had returned north to 22 Buchanan Street, Leith [a blonde sandstone tenement building adjacent to Leith Walk. In 2010, google street maps show this property as being demolished and redeveloped]. He was living out his days as a gardener. Isabella died on 5th June 1904, reported by John who describes himself as a plasterer (retired). She died at 57 Albert Street, Edinburgh, (within 300m of her home)

In 1911, at the age of 79, (born Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire) he is living with his daughter Beatrice at 16 Barnton Terrace in Edinburgh, descibed as Widower, retired Plasterer.

In 1918, on 8th January, he died aged 85 years, at 16 Barnton Terrace, Edinburgh. His death certificate, describes him as John Rose, 78 years old, (he was 85 years old) Builder (Retired), widower of Isabella Stevens. Father: John Rose, Mechanical Engineer (deceased). Mother: Helen Grieve (deceased). His death was registered by his daughter, Beatrice Rose. (Malcolm).

Children of ISOBELLA STEVENS and JOHN ROSE are:
i. JOHN ROSE was born 21 JAN 1859 in Innerleithen, Peeblesshire, Scotland, and died 07 AUG 1942 in Queensland, Australia. He married JANE MORRISON. She died NOV 1921 in Bexley, New South Wales, Australia.
ii. BEATRICE ROSE was born 22 OCT 1861 in St. George, Edinburgh, and died 1922 in St. Bernard, Edinburgh.. She married JOHN DUNDAS MALCOLM 03 JUL 1884 in Innerleithen, Peeblesshire, Scotland, son of DAVID BAIRD MALCOM and CATHERINE GOULD. He was born 1844 in Moulin, Perthshire, Scotland, and died 1914 in St. George, Edinburgh.
iii. JAMES STEVEN ROSE was born 02 SEP 1864 in St. George, Edinburgh, and died 09 FEB 1922 in Bo'ness, West Lothian, Scotland. He married GEORGINA RODGERS WOOD 14 JUN 1887 in South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland, daughter of HAXTON WOOD and ELIZABETH CROUCH. She was born 1865 in Leith, Midlothian, Scotland, and died 07 SEP 1934.
iv. HELEN ROSE was born 1867 in St. George, Edinburgh.

v. WILLIAM STEVENS ROSE was born 28 AUG 1870 in St. Cuthbert, Edinburgh., and died 31 JUL 1936 in Peebles, Peeblesshire, Scotland. He married NICHOLAS JOHNSTONE GRAHAM 10 JUN 1892 in Peebles, Peeblesshire, Scotland, daughter of WILLIAM GRAHAM and CATHERINE BLACK. She was born 21 MAR 1873 in Roxburghshire, Scotland, and died 21 JUL 1939 in Tweedgreen Nursing Home. Peebles..
vi. ISABELLA STEVEN ROSE was born 1871 in St. George, Edinburgh, and died 19 MAY 1939 in Brooklyn, Kings, New York, USA. She married FREDERICK CHRISTIAN JOHNSTON. He was born ABT 1869 in Copenhagen, Kobenhavn, Denmark, and died ABT 1933 in Baltimore, Maryland, USA.

Re: John Rose and Helen Grieve

51738 — 2011-05-04 18:25:30Z

Steven Tree

Descendants of James STEVEN

Generation No. 1

1. James1 STEVEN was born Abt. 1805 in Lauder, Berwick, Scotland?, and died Bef. Apr 1861. He married Beatrice MURRAY 14 May 1830 in Stow, Midlothian, Scotland. She was born 1807 in Blainslie, Roxburgh, Scotland, and died 13 Feb 1876 in Traquair, Peebles, Scotland.

More About Beatrice MURRAY:
Fact: Apr 1861, Widow living with son John at High St., Innerleithen
Occupation: Apr 1871, Widow, housekeper at Old Mill, Innerleithen

More About James STEVEN and Beatrice MURRAY:
Marriage: 14 May 1830, Stow, Midlothian, Scotland

Children of James STEVEN and Beatrice MURRAY are:
+ 2 i. Isabella2 STEVENS, born 1836 in Lauder, Berwick, Scotland.
3 ii. John STEVENS, born 1846 in Lauder, Berwick, Scotland.

More About John STEVENS:
Occupation: Apr 1871, Wool factory worker living at Old Mill, Innerleithen

Generation No. 2

2. Isabella2 STEVENS (James1 STEVEN) was born 1836 in Lauder, Berwick, Scotland. She married John ROSE 25 Sep 1857 in Peebles, Peebles, Scotland, son of John ROSE and Helen GRIEVE. He was born 1832 in Renfrew, Renfrew, Scotland Re 1881 Census, and died 08 Jan 1918.

More About John ROSE:
Fact: 1857, Joiner at Traquair
Occupation: Apr 1881, Grocer at 2 & 6 Eglinton St., Edinburgh

More About John ROSE and Isabella STEVENS:
Marriage: 25 Sep 1857, Peebles, Peebles, Scotland

Children of Isabella STEVENS and John ROSE are:
4 i. John3 ROSE, born 21 Jan 1859 in Innerleithen, Peebles, Scotland.
5 ii. Beatrice ROSE, born 22 Oct 1861 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.
6 iii. James Stevens ROSE, born 02 Sep 1864 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.
7 iv. Joseph ROSE, born 11 Jun 1866 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.
8 v. Helen ROSE, born 12 Dec 1867 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.
9 vi. Robina Baird ROSE, born 01 Mar 1869 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.
10 vii. William Stevens ROSE, born 28 Aug 1870 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.
11 viii. Isabella Stevens ROSE, born 08 Dec 1871 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.
12 ix. Unknown ROSE, born 12 Sep 1872 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.
13 x. Unknown ROSE, born 28 May 1873 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.
14 xi. Unknown ROSE, born 12 Apr 1874 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland.

Re: John Rose and Helen Grieve

BevAnne23 — 2011-05-01 10:09:29Z

Bill,

You seem to have done quite a bit of research on the Rose family.

This is a long shot, but I wondered if you have any info on Roses living in Jamaica? My paternal great grand mother is Jane Rose who married Henry Thomas, their 1st child was born in 1879 in Clarendon Jamaica.

Thanks
Bev

Re: LAIDLAW families

alan14578 — 2011-04-21 17:52:03Z

I think the last operational mill in Selkirk was Laidlaw and Fairgieves ,Dunsdalehaugh, Selkirkk and was part of the Dawson International Group of Textile Manufacturers their HQ was in Saville Row next to West End Central Police Station just off Regent Street London.

Re: Rhoda Barton c.1795 Scotland

Fionacr — 2011-04-11 15:10:08Z

Dear Rae
Thank you very much for this - it looks likely to be her - it did puzzle me for a long time. I shall have a look.

Best regards
Fiona

Re: Rhoda Barton c.1795 Scotland

Brae125 — 2011-04-10 23:31:11Z

Hi,
On familysearch.org I found a Rhoda Weddligh Barty, b 1785 at Kinfauns Perthshire; father William Barty.
Marriage of David Summers and Rhodie Bartie, 9 Jan 1803 at Errol, Perthshire.
If you think they are your ancestors you can download the old parish record pages for both from Scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
children of David and Rhoda:
James Summers chr 2 Jun 1805, Errol; father David mother Radie Bartie
William Somers b 2 May 1814; chr 8 May 1814, Errol; David Somers and Rhoda Bartie
Jean Somers b 8 Nov 1810; chr 22 Nov 1810, Errol; David Somers, Rhoda Bartie
Elizabeth Somers chr 6 Jan 1809, Errol Perthshire; David Somers and Rhoda Bartie
Hope this helps.
Rae

Re: Bertram, Cecelia in glenholm

ebrown52010 — 2011-04-10 16:52:39Z

Hi I'm sorry i don't have information about Cecelia but looking at the Linton aspect, do you know who Mary Bertram was I have a photo of her with Isabella Rennie Brown, Helen White and Hugh Mitchell Brown? I found the Bertram's with the point during my family search but didn't save it and have never came across it again?

Re: Bertram, Cecelia in glenholm

gt1314 — 2011-03-25 21:23:33Z

Charles

I see you have IRELANDS on your web site.

I am directly related to some of them and so would be interested to see if we can swap info.

Graham

Re: Bertram, Cecelia in glenholm

ShirleyCLewis — 2011-03-24 02:47:52Z

Wendy,

I can't really say since I don't have Cecelia's parents nor any siblings. She was born in 1799, so if it is the same family it would be several generations farther back than I have information. Thanks for your information. Shirley