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Still searching for the Doyles' birth, baptism, and marriage records

Still searching for the Doyles' birth, baptism, and marriage records

Posted: 9 Aug 2014 9:25AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 9 Aug 2014 9:26AM GMT
Surnames: Doyle
Hello, my name is Tanya Kasim and I'm currently still researching my Doyle ancestors.

My ancestors, John and Margaret Doyle, were born in Leinster Province, but I'm thinking they might not have grown up in Carlow, Wicklow, or Wexford, as most people who share the same surname did. I found out that Margaret Doyle's maiden name was Gorman on Family Search and found out, also, that Margaret named her eldest daughter Ann Catherine after her mother, whose first name was Ann. Her daughter, Ann Catherine, dropped the "Ann" and took Catherine as her name.

What do you think of my theory?

Re: Still searching for the Doyles' birth, baptism, and marriage records

Posted: 17 Aug 2014 3:27AM GMT
Classification: Query
The Irish naming pattern is certainly in order for the females of the family
www.familysearch.org is good for records after 1864 but you can also find them on an irish history foundation www.rootsireland.ie

The problem is the name Doyle, the most used surname in Ireland followed by Murphy. There were lots of Gorman's too but nothing like Doyle.

You rarely see women's names in the 1800's unless on a parish record and occasionally they will take over a lease on property after a husband's death.

Can you give me the dates for John and Margaret.

Have you tried the census: www.census.nationalarchives.ie or is this too early or late

Parish records for Carlow are listed on www.irishgenealogy.ie, but for Wicklow you need to use www.rootsireland.ie, Wexford records slowly being added but its been 4 years since 8 parish
were posted.

I note you only mention Carlow, Wicklow and Wexford. Leinster Province also includes
the counties, Dublin, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois, Longford, Louth, Offaly and Westmeath

You might be better off pinpointing the Gorman family first. Once you have a civil registration district or a parish you would be well on your way. What Civil Registration District was given on www.familysearch.org that would be a good clue.

John would be the most common first name for males in Ireland, followed by James, Patrick, Michael.....etc. Women, Mary, Bridget, then others with Catherine being right up there in the top group.

Griffith Valuation property valuation for Wicklow and Wexford was in 1852/53 quite a jump to 1901/1911 it is used as a census substitute, it was done throughout Ireland between 1846-1864.
www.askaboutireland.ie

Tithe Applotments 1823-1837 www.genealogy.nationalarchives.ie

Make sure you keep your email up to date on rootsweb as you never know when someone might try to contact you.

Annette Code
no relation

Re: Still searching for the Doyles' birth, baptism, and marriage records

Posted: 17 Aug 2014 11:15AM GMT
Classification: Query
I can give your their birth years. John Doyle, Margaret's husband, was born about 1799 and Margaret was born about 1801. As for their birth dates and marriage dates, I would have to order certificates.

As for the counties in Leinster where the Doyles and Gormans originated, I'm thinking the Doyles and Gormans grew up in Offaly, according to the 1821 Irish census on the National Archives of Ireland website. I could be wrong, though. I have tried searching for them on Family Search, irishgenealogy,ie., and nationalarchives.ie, but I visit those again from time to time. I will try askaboutireland, though.

Thank you for your advice and observations.

Sincerely,

Tanya Kasim.



Re: Still searching for the Doyles' birth, baptism, and marriage records

Posted: 17 Aug 2014 7:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Almost all irish genealogy comes at a cost, whether you pay the history foundation
www.rootsireland.ie or if Offaly (NI) www.emeraldancestors.com The Department of Tourism provided grants to local genealogy offices to get all the information available for local parishes.
It is a way of providing income to Ireland and hopefully people will visit as well.
Trust me having been there 5 times it isn't cheaper to go there.

There are no 'certificates' before 1864. Just printed copies of information gleaned from the parish registers. Some churches will provide a copy from the parish registered signed by the clergy but that's as close as you will come. I do know that the parishes were happy to pass on the information to stop being bothered all the time by requests for searching the parish registers once people really got into genealogy. There are still a few that will.

Using this website to match parishes:

Griffith Valuation of 1854 in Offaly has 79 Gorman's and 66 Doyle's, 6 of which are named John,
in the following parishes: www.askaboutireland.ie

Parish Kilbride, Poor Law Union Tullamore
Parish Lemanaghan, PLU Parsonstown/Birr
Parish Rahan, PLU Tullamore

The common parish for the name Doyle and Gorman is Parish Kilbride

On rootsireland.ie Tullamore(Kilbride) has records for baptisms from 1805, marriages 1814 and deaths (which is rare) 1814-1899, so that is very good for Ireland. You should be able to find their marriage and their childrens baptisms.

Good luck.
Annette

Re: Still searching for the Doyles' birth, baptism, and marriage records

Posted: 8 Sep 2014 7:37AM GMT
Classification: Query
John Doyle was born about 1799 in Ireland; I don't know the exact location in Ireland in which he was born, but he might have lived in Offaly (King's) until the 1820s, Margaret was born about 1801 in Ireland, I also don't know her exact birth date or the place in Ireland where she was born. I think I'm hitting a brick wall. John's parents were John, born about 1773, and Bridget, born about 1772. Margaret's parents were Edward and Ann, according to the Massachusetts Death Records. Margaret died in Massachusetts in 1886. I could be wrong, though.
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