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Re: John Wakefield listed as one of the "Forty Nine" officers granted land-Cromwell's army

coetting57 — 2013-05-15 12:33:50Z

Ann,
thanks for the information. I ran across some listings at this website: http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/history/cromwell_se... At this site is info for the survey done in Clare County and settlement-including listings for those who gave up lands to whom. And like I have found in my research there are listings for land held in trust for the '49 Officers for the '49 arrears. I wondered if any other county had put this online like Clare. It is also my undersanding for the 1649 Officers-Protestant Royalist against Cromwellian ideology-that it wss the Restoration Acts-under Charles II, I believe the act was in 1660 after he was restored that he recognized those who remained Loyal. I have found the British Calendars of State Papers concerning Ireland at openlibrary. The Public Records for Ireland were burnt so I assumed like for America-a colony at that time like Ireland-papers would be there. And they are. It is just going through all the Calendars and records at the National Archives in London. Thanks Cindy

Re: John Wakefield listed as one of the "Forty Nine" officers granted land-Cromwell's army

annclare — 2013-05-15 09:04:03Z

The Books of survey and distribution show who were granted land after the Cromwellian wars- however they are not on line as far as I know. They are available in the National Library Dublin See this article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_of_survey_and_distributio...
Also
http://downsurvey.tcd.ie/down-survey-maps.php
annclare

Re: Cape Royal Garrison arrive Cape Town 1813

dmuston1 — 2013-05-06 09:31:34Z

I think this website might be able to help you

http://www.cgamil.co.za/index.php?page_id=85

British Raj/ Anglo-Indian food

samuelbenghiat — 2013-04-24 10:39:54Z

Hello,

I'm interested in making contact with others who have a family connection with the British Raj and have inherited family recipes from that period.

My grandfather was born in Ahmedabad, and through him we have inherited numerous recipes that we enjoy to this day.

We are all familiar with Indian dishes that have been anglicised in the UK in modern times(Chicken Tikka Massala etc.), however, I am fascinated by the recipes that emerged during that earlier phase of anglo-Indian contact on the sub-continent.

The fusion of Indian and British tastes led to the creation of a unique style of cooking that does not seem to be formerly documented anywhere. However, I am sure it is still enjoyed by families across the world and passed down from generation to generation.

My ultimate aim is to document these recipes (with appropriate attribution) before they are lost. I would be very interested to hear from anyone who has recipes to share and would like to participate.

Thanks very much (and apologies if this is unacceptably O/T!)

Re: Riddle Families

wvsl — 2013-04-12 16:18:20Z

Have you got this info ....?
JWR parents Joseph Riddle and Emma Porter
JWR - Sept 12th 1912, London to Sydney aboard the ship "Themistocles"
Mrs Riddle + family - Oct 4th 1912, London to Sydney on ship "Zealandic"
Children Jessie, Alice, Joseph, Alfred, Charlie, Robert.
Both parents were born in Ware, Hertfordshire.
In 1911 census JWR was a lodger in Southend ( working perhaps?) and Louisa + children living in Ponders End, Middlesex

Riddle Families

researchersuzanne — 2013-04-11 02:01:46Z

Hi...my name is Suzanne Riddle and i am searching for info on Joseph William Riddle married to Louisa Campkin, they lived in Middlesex England....had children.....Joseph, Alice, Alfred, Jessie....emigrated to Sydney Australia sometime in the early 1900s.....sometime after 1911. Thanking You

John Wakefield listed as one of the "Forty Nine" officers granted land-Cromwell's army

coetting57 — 2013-03-23 14:28:35Z

From a listing in John O'Hart's "The Irish landed gentry when Cromwell came to Ireland" on page 372 begins a listing of the officers-on page 409 John Wakefield is listed. These officers are according to the book "Cromwell in Ireland, a history of Cromwell's Irish Campaign" by Denis Murphy pages 211-259-service June 1644-June 5, 1649-thus the name-"when the King (Charles II?) I assume Charles I was executed-returned from exile and with him came many officers who had been driven out of Ireland by Cromwell for their loyality-Protestant Royalist officers who had served the King before June 5, 1649 or the 49 Officers. By the Act of Settlement they were granted the lands that had been assigned by the Commonwealth for the '49 Arrears-an Act of Indemnity was passed 7th June 1654-on behalf of these officers-for their arrears they were granted land in Ireland. Are there any records in the British Empire for these officers? And were they were settled? Thanks, coetting57@hotmail.com

Re: How do I find a british birth certificate in India ?

geoffreymarsh562 — 2013-03-18 10:48:24Z

Hi isabella j jacobs my great-granmother born in india 1861 is the mother of my granfather thomas henry watson born in chelsea my mother is his 2rd child he also had four sons , plus a daughter to another woman,her first husband thomas william watson born 1864, i do have birth & marriage certifictes of my granfather.

Re: Phamlin/Phemlin/Phelan Toole

Collegefarm — 2013-02-09 23:42:28Z

Try http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/carlow.html
Lots of Carlow information. Also Carlow church records on irishgenealogy.ie

Re: MARY BOYLE

Collegefarm — 2013-02-09 23:38:14Z

Names in Ireland are quite localised so you could look at the census records & get an idea of the distribution of the family name in Ireland. Censusnationalarchives.ie.

Re: Location of Island of St Helena Marriage records for 1844

Faust321 — 2013-02-04 19:27:43Z

Dear Halpark,

I am most grateful for your quick response, I have the exact date of the marriage in 1844 all i need is to get a copy of the record. so I will certainly do as you have kindly suggested , again I am most grateful

Kind regards
S Taylor
Faust321

Re: Location of Island of St Helena Marriage records for 1844

halpark — 2013-02-03 22:58:52Z

St. Helena became a Crown Colony in 1834. This would have put it under the jurisdiction of the Colonial Office. The Colonial Office was merged with the Foreign Office, about 1960s I think, and became the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. They have recently dissolved the Foreign and Commonwealth Office Library which held all the records and dispersed their collections to several locations. However they have a residual unit which would probably point you in the right direction. In addition there is a full list of what went where - so google up Foreign and Commonwealth Office Library, lots of information. Think this would be your best bet.

Location of Island of St Helena Marriage records for 1844

Shemis320 — 2013-02-03 20:18:17Z

Dear All,

I am trying to find the location other than on St Helena, where I can request or access a Marriage of 2 individuals that occurred in Jamestown St Helena in 1844.
Information I have found so far stops at 1836 and civil reg starting in 1852 Can any experts help and point me in the right direction.

Kind regards

Simn Taylor

Re: ENGLISH ANCESTORS OF ROBERT DUFFIELD

jasche — 2013-01-28 12:54:27Z

The more developed Ancestry becomes the more difficult it is to navigate.

This page may help.

If you are in the UK: http://ancestryuk.custhelp.com/app/home

USA: http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home

Best of luck to you.

Re: ENGLISH ANCESTORS OF ROBERT DUFFIELD

DUFFIELD77 — 2013-01-28 12:46:04Z

Thanks
I hate to ask dumb questions
But, I learned as a lawyer long ago that the only dumb question is the one unasked.

Re: ENGLISH ANCESTORS OF ROBERT DUFFIELD

jasche — 2013-01-28 12:30:31Z

Here's the boards for Yorkshire.

http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.britisles.england.yks/...

Scroll down a bit on this page where you will find a search box for ancestry.

Re: ENGLISH ANCESTORS OF ROBERT DUFFIELD

DUFFIELD77 — 2013-01-28 11:43:09Z

Thank you
How do I find that board?
Just search Internet or is it on ancestry.com
Am inexperienced

Re: ENGLISH ANCESTORS OF ROBERT DUFFIELD

warncoort1 — 2013-01-28 11:12:05Z

Try posting on Yorkshire board,Historical board hasn't helped.

Re: ENGLISH ANCESTORS OF ROBERT DUFFIELD

jasche — 2013-01-27 18:24:36Z

It's perfectly okay to post this question to this board. You have ancestors the immigrated to America which is included as part of the British Empire.

Good Luck with your research.

jasche
BOARD ADMIN

Re: ENGLISH ANCESTORS OF ROBERT DUFFIELD

DUFFIELD77 — 2013-01-27 12:52:58Z

I dont know enough to properly answer your question. I posted to try to find my ancestors.
Perhaps that is the wrong place to inquire, but I dont know that.
My line 12 generations ago entered this country in 1678 when Robert and his son Benjamin Duffield landed in America from the Port of Hull, England.
This family had considerable ties with the founding fathers of our nation, especially Benjamin Franklin.
I would like to research this line back from Robert Duffield.
I understand his father was John Duffield, married to Johanna Lerrock, John born in 1590 died 1615, but I am not certain this is correct.

Re: ENGLISH ANCESTORS OF ROBERT DUFFIELD

warncoort1 — 2013-01-26 23:47:56Z

Why post on Historical British Empire board when you know he was born in Yorkshire?

ENGLISH ANCESTORS OF ROBERT DUFFIELD

DUFFIELD77 — 2013-01-13 06:23:40Z

i AM LOOKING FOR THE ENGLISH ANCESTORS OF ROBERT DUFFIELD, BORN 1610 DIED 1692 PENNYPACK PENNSYLVANIA, USA.
HIS SON WAS BENJAMIN DUFFIELD BORN 1661 WHO MARRIED ELIZABETH WATTS. I AM THE 12TH GENERATION FROM ROBERT DUFFIELD
ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED

Re: Elinor Elisabeth Lamb

halpark — 2013-01-08 23:35:14Z

If she married in India she would obviously travel under her married name which is unknown - that is the problem. I would suggest trying the India Office Library - google them up, hey have a section especially devoted to family history during the time of the British Raj and are very helpful.

Re: Elinor Elisabeth Lamb

ELLinSpain — 2013-01-07 01:17:40Z

Name: Elinor Elisabeth Lamb
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1899
Registration district: Alnwick
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 10b
Page: 465

1911
James Wm Lamb 53
Minnie Florence Lamb 45
John Lamb 14
Elinor Elisabeth Lamb 11
Minnie Florence Lamb 9
Cyril Lamb 7
Civil parish: Warkworth and Gloster Hill
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: Warkworth Acklington Northd

there are over 30 possibles in incoming passenger lists..

Elinor Elisabeth Lamb

ferryofferrylane — 2013-01-07 01:17:12Z

E L was senior tutor to the Nizam of Hyderabad in 1935. She later married an Army officer in India and returned to UK. I do not know her married name. Any suggestions as to how to trace her marriage certficate please.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

Balizan2 — 2012-11-19 03:11:35Z

Yes it would be. If children were minors when they commited a crime the records are sealed.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

tonyahaney59 — 2012-11-19 02:44:28Z

HI ITS ME AGAIN AND I MUST SAY THAT THE REASON FOR THE MANY DIFFERENT BIRTH DATES ON MY GRT. GRANDFATHER HAROLD E. BRIND IS SIMPLY BECAUSE IF THE GOVERNMENT IN THE USA WERE ASKING QUESTION HE TOLD DIFFERENT BIRTHDATES FOR THE RECORDS BUT I CAN ASURE YOU THAT THE INFO I HAVE IS CORRECT INFO ON HIM! AND I MUST THANK YOU FOR TURNING ME ON TO ANOTHER LIVING RELATIVE!!

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

tonyahaney59 — 2012-11-19 02:36:17Z

HAROLD WAS ALSO MY GREAT GRAND FATHER !! WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD SHARE INFO ON THE BRINDS? MY GRANDFATHER WAS BURTON S. BRIND FROM OHIO MY MOTHER IS BURTS DAUGHTER

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

halpark — 2012-11-18 09:19:49Z

Just out of curiousity again I looked under your Home Children link - very interesting and obviously gives many tips for further searching. However it does prove me wrong in one point, although I have to admit I am a bit surprised, older "children" were included as what is probably your Harold arrived on the Corsican in 1911 aged 18. Do hope you get to the bottom of this. Good luck.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

aquameg1 — 2012-11-18 06:41:57Z

If you do a Google search under "Home Children (1869-1930)"
you will find Harold with about 6 others who were sent in the batch.. There are two other Brinds one from Barnado Homes and one from Feagan Homes... They are so young.. very sad.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

aquameg1 — 2012-11-18 06:24:36Z

I have a birth cert. I did find an entry on a Canadian site a while back which sort of indicated that there were a couple of other youngsters in the group. My computer crashed at some point and although I do backups, it seems not regularly enough so although I do have the memory, I have not found the record again.. I have had other things going on, I'm afraid.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

halpark — 2012-11-18 01:17:56Z

Back yet again! I was looking on the Berkshire Board for my own ends and there is somewhere there under user name tonyahaney who is looking for Harold Edwad Brind and another person has said there is a birth entry for 1894 which I must have missed, but the birth is in Wallingford. As said, the Berkshire Bolard could be a better bet.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

halpark — 2012-11-18 00:55:42Z

May I ask what record you have of his birth? Just out of curiousity I looked in the Free BMD and as this is not a common name there are only a few entries and there does not seem to be any record of birth for a Harold Edward Brind in, or around, 1894. If the birth date is wrong it could make all the difference to any lines you chase up.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

halpark — 2012-11-18 00:40:50Z

Had almost forgotten this! I think there are two points which need serious consideration. Whatever the "family tradition", being given the choice of "Prison or Canada" is impossible. Canada was never used as a penal colony. Until the American Revolution, the US states were used as penal colonies but all that came to an end when GB recognised US independence. Australia was then used, from c. 1792 to 1868 when the system ended but it had been declining in use for some years before that. In the later 19th and well into the 20th century, there were schemes to send homeless, orphaned or abandoned children to the colonies to give them a new start in life, a better deal than roaming the streets of 19th century industrial cities. I think the original idea was basically good but unfortunately it was catastrophic for many. Farmers were perhaps the worst, they offered the children a new "home" which turned out to be nothing but a chance to get cheap labour. Many were sent to schools where they were supposed to be educated and trained for their new lives but again were seriously exploited. Some of the religious institutions were the worst offenders here. If you look under Orphans and Orphanages you will find there is a specific Board for British Home Children. However I think you will find another problem with this approach. Your Harold would have been 16, possibly 17, when he went to Canada so he would not have been a "child" or in any sort of institution. In 1911 the school-leaving age was 12 when a child could get a "Labour Certificate" saying they had reached a minimum level of basic education. A few stayed a bit longer, it depended on circumstances but he would not have been sent in any group of "children". My best guess is that there is a family story behind this - perhaps he misbehaved in some way and the family sent him to Canada to save face, or he fell out with his family and just went and someone did not want to broadcast the details to all and sundry. In this case there would be no "records" apart from his passage and immigration application. I still think you would be more likely to get help if you post on the Wiltshire Board and, as you say he was born in Berkshire, the Berkshire Board. There may be someone who recognises the name - even searching the same family. I do not think that is very likely on this Board but hope what I have said helps a bit.

Re: Harold Edward Brind of Wiltshire

aquameg1 — 2012-11-17 08:39:31Z

The Harold Edward Brind that went to Quebec via Liverpool is the correct one. He was born in 1894, Brightwell, Berkshire. His father Thomas is from Aldbourne,Wiltshire and further back. The story about the stolen horse is family tradition.. Either go to prison or Canada... It seems at that time a lot of children from homes/orphanages etc were sent to the colonies.. I also saw about a year or so ago that the British govt apologised as a lot of the children were mistreated.. It would be handy to know how to find the official records of why he was sent away as he was not an orphan.

Bombay - Henry Cowan d. 22 Nov 1819 in Bombay

gailkennedy63 — 2012-11-13 02:08:52Z

I would be so grateful if someone could help me with information on my ancestor Henry Cowan. He died in Bombay in 1819 and was from Ayr Ayrshire. He was 50 years old when he died. This information is recorded on the headstone of his wife in Ayr. Thank you so much for any help.

Re: Guy Aubrey Payne s/o Walter Arnold Payne in India

halpark — 2012-10-16 22:41:48Z

Hope it does not just confuse but you said there was an older sister "Sissy" (Cecilia? Celia? Elizabeth? The last Empress of Austria, Elizabeth, was always known as "Sissi") who maried a Frenchman. Baptiste is very French, was this a descendent of the French connection and not your person just dropping the name? I think the National Army Museum could help pinpoint if he was ever in the army - or if not at least you would know that for sure. Good luck.

Re: Guy Aubrey Payne s/o Walter Arnold Payne in India

emylou7812 — 2012-10-14 23:03:12Z

On the marriage cert Guy's father is listed as an engineer and retired.
The death record I have is correct as it gives Guy's birth date and my mum has confirmed it is his, also the last known place he lived was Nottingham, i have also found a 2nd marraige record for Guy to Elizabeth Byrne.
I did not see the marriage of Ralph William Payne i will look into that and see what I can find.
I have used the national archives and british India sites, there is nothing, so I'm begining to question if family info on Walter Arnold Payne being in the army is incorrect, perhaps(as suggested by another poster) walter may have worked in dumdum making something for the army.
Out of desperation i googled " walter Arnold Payne" this lead me to a record on another site, I have contacted the owner she said Walter Arnold Payne Baptiste was baptised in calcuta India in 1885. Im also thinking if this is him perhaps he dropped the baptist at some point.
Thank you all for your help and suggestions,

Re: Guy Aubrey Payne s/o Walter Arnold Payne in India

jillfisher23 — 2012-10-14 15:07:26Z

Hi
Well you certainly seem to have a problem with the Payne family. I have been looking for anything to help but it is always exceedingly difficult when you have very little info to go on.
However, I did find a marriage for
Ralph William Payne and Norah Elizabeth Young, 11 Feb 1929 in Calcutta, Bengal, India. The father of the groom is given as Arnold Walter Payne. You may already have found it but if not it is in familysearch.org.

You said you have Guy's marriage cert, does it mention if the father is deceased? Does any family member know if Walter was born in UK? Do you have any old pics with notes on the back?
I cannot find the death cert for Guy in 2006, do you know for certain it was Nottingham. As I live in Derbyshire it would be interesting to know where exactly he died. Was Sissy short for another name and did she marry in UK or abroad? If you can come up with any other details it will help.

Re: Guy Aubrey Payne s/o Walter Arnold Payne in India

halpark — 2012-10-14 11:05:24Z

If you have not already done so try the India Office Library Records, they have a family history section, or the Families in British India Societyy, FIBIS. If he was in the British Army which Regiment/Division was he in? Try the National Army Museum.

Re: Guy Aubrey Payne s/o Walter Arnold Payne in India

emylou7812 — 2012-10-12 08:35:08Z

hi thanks for the reply, this is everything I have so far Guy Aubrey Payne was born in India 1/11/1931 he died 2006 in nottingham. My mother tells me Guys father was a warrant officer in the Britsh Army and that he married an Indian girl. Family tell me Guy had much older siblings one of who was Sissy, sissy married a french man and had son named Patrice.
On the wedding cert his occupation is an engineer ( retired )A witness to the marriage was a G R Payne. Guys Address was 1 Lancaster Road E7, I have the G R payne registered at the same address ( telephone ) in the 1960's. So i would assume this was Guy's mother.
Any help or suggestions would be really appreciated

Re: Guy Aubrey Payne s/o Walter Arnold Payne in India

jillfisher23 — 2012-10-12 07:56:10Z

Hi
Just a few thoughts.

Dum Dum is nearby to Calcutta, West Bengal. There was a munitions factory there and it did make bullets for the British Army, most famously the dumdum bullet!
You say you have Guy's wedding cert, does it have Walter's occupation listed? How do you know he was in the Army?
What about his mother? Have you got her name ie. maiden name?
Were there no brothers or sisters? Where was Guy brought up?
If you have any more info post it and someone may be able to help.

Guy Aubrey Payne s/o Walter Arnold Payne in India

emylou7812 — 2012-10-10 12:02:49Z

I keep hitting a brick wall with regards to my grandfathers family, I have used everywhere i can think of to look for info including the british Indian archives.
My grandfather Guy Aubrey payne was born in 1931 in India ( think Dumdum)his father was in the british army. On Guys wedding cert his fathers name is Walter Arnold Payne. Any advice would be great

Re: MARY BOYLE

BARBARAFARRELL24 — 2012-10-05 20:41:00Z

thank you but I have seen the marriage certificate and know who her father was but have no idea what part of Ireland she was born in

Re: MARY BOYLE

halpark — 2012-10-05 19:37:46Z

You might get more help on the Ireland board, but in any case the marriage certificate would give her father's name.

MARY BOYLE

BARBARAFARRELL24 — 2012-10-04 22:50:27Z

I am looking for information on Mary Boyle born Ireland circa 1831 daughter of Owen Boyle occupation farmer. She
married John Harris in Liverpool in July 1854. Any information on her parents etc would be appreciated

Re: Richard Cressey; Gibraltar

halpark — 2012-09-29 15:15:02Z

Any children born after 1837 would probably have birth certificates, these would give the mother's name. Obviously a marriage would have to be in Parish Registers not civil BMD but if you get the earliest BC possible it might be that you could find a marriage in a church register at the same place, or as he seems to have been around Lancashire you could just search that area, or the area in Scotland where you know the children were born.

Re: Richard Cressey; Gibraltar

helen_warland — 2012-09-29 13:42:24Z

Thank you so much for your response.
I have Googled Gibraltar Records for Richard Cressey (who was born 1803 I believe) - but am not finding any record of him at all. English Censuses do, nevertheless, say that he was born on Gibraltar. Neither can I find any wife.
His five children were all born in Scotland and/or England between 1834 and 1853.
It all seems something of a (frustrating !) mystery.
Helen

Re: Richard Cressey; Gibraltar

halpark — 2012-09-26 19:22:08Z

Richard Cressey, born Gibraltar 1803, 1861 Census; Richard Cressey, born Gibraltar 1803, 1871 Census; Free BMD: Richard Cressey died Haslingden, Lancs, June Quarter 1877, Ref. 8e 127. Google Gibraltar Records.

Richard Cressey; Gibraltar

helen_warland — 2012-09-24 11:27:24Z

Researching Richard Cressey, born Gibraltar 1803 British Subject.
Five children, all born England / Scotland 1834 - 1853.
Possibly died 1877.
Lived in Accrington area of Lancashire from 1840's.
Can find no records for Gibraltar.
Can find no wife.