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Lang Family

amie_koch — 2013-05-22 18:32:40Z

I am looking for this book:
Memories of John Marshall Lang, C.V.O., D.D., LL.D.

when I searched online ist is only available in a library in scotland...any other suggestins on where I might find it?

Re: would a marriage in Italy in 1947 have been registered in the UK

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-10 18:25:01Z

MAY HELP

Name: Herbert G Nixon
Mother's Maiden Surname: Hendry
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1920
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume Number: 8b
Page Number: 1585

Name: Herbert Geoffrey Nixon
Birth Date: 7 Feb 1920
Date of Registration: Nov 1994
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Oxford
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Register Number: B39D
District and Subdistrict: 7021B
Entry number: 50

cannot find anything in marriages

cannot find in ships in or out

Re: would a marriage in Italy in 1947 have been registered in the UK

carole_anne48 — 2013-05-10 13:09:47Z

Thanks for this. I've no idea whether which service he was in, but I will try and see where it takes me.

Re: would a marriage in Italy in 1947 have been registered in the UK

carole_anne48 — 2013-05-10 13:07:50Z

Thank-you. I have tried the British Consulate who won't divulge information (even though I have an old passport issued by them to the Italian spouse). I hadn't thought of the Italian Consulate though, and I know they moved to the UK after the marriage (although I don't know where).

Re: would a marriage in Italy in 1947 have been registered in the UK

carole_anne48 — 2013-05-10 13:05:21Z

Thanks for this...I have managed to get copies of the birth and death certificates, but was hoping that if the marriage was registered in the UK I might be able to get some more info.

Re: would a marriage in Italy in 1947 have been registered in the UK

halpark — 2013-05-09 21:06:45Z

You say the marriage certificate gives his details as an officer. If this means he was an army, naval officer then his marriage would have been registered with his military authority because he would have been eligible for an allowance for his wife, access to married quarters etc. Why not contact the Regiment?, Army?, Navy? records and they would probably tell you what the drill was.

Re: would a marriage in Italy in 1947 have been registered in the UK

Merice46 — 2013-05-09 18:51:18Z

Hi,
Can you visit an LDS family history centre?They could help you search for a likely record there.OR have you tried the GRO for Overseas BMDs?

Regards

Sandra

Re: would a marriage in Italy in 1947 have been registered in the UK

carole_anne48 — 2013-05-09 17:31:49Z

Thanks for your reply.

In fact I have contacted the Consulate in Rome, but they told me they won't give any information out due to confidentiality/privacy (even though both parties are dead).

Re: would a marriage in Italy in 1947 have been registered in the UK

the4matrons — 2013-05-09 17:03:34Z

You might want to try the Italian Consulate in London. If you have the spouse's name and location, then the British Embassy in Italy at the time may have records. Good luck.

Re: John Walker in Maverickshire Loneford is at??

g1aml — 2013-05-08 08:32:17Z

I would bet Its from a file that's been converted by OCR
It seems Ancestry don't bother to check the output

John WALKER - location of Maverickshire Loneford?

lmsills72 — 2013-05-07 12:52:04Z

I am looking for information as to where MAVERICKSHIRE LONEFORD or YORKSHIRE ROTHAM is located? I am trying to track down my ancestors...I am not familar with these locations. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Lori Sills
lmsills72@gmail.com

Re: John Walker in Maverickshire Loneford is at??

carobradford — 2013-05-07 07:25:50Z

The locations do not exist. "Maverickshire Loneford" might possibly be Longford in Warwickshire and "Yorkshire Rotham" might be Hotham or Rotherham, both of which are in Yorkshire. But that is pure guesswork, which has no place in family history. What is the documentary source for the two non places?

Re: Where to go next? for Daniel & Mary Williams

ELLinSpain — 2013-05-06 15:29:41Z

was mum a Williams (before marriage) should show on birth cert

look at census - what occupation did dad have? did Levi have siblings? when was the 1st born? where?

START OFF MY LOOKING AT:

1871
Name: Daniel Williams
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Magdeline Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil parish: Bedwellty
Ecclesiastical parish: Rumney
Town: Rumney
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Tredegar
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Household schedule number: 25
Piece: 5327
Folio: 5
Page Number: 4
+
Name: Mary Magdeline Williams
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Daniel Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Cardiganshire, Wales
+
Name: Mary Jane Williams
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Daniel Williams
Mother's Name: Mary Magdeline Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales
+
Name: Levi Williams
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Daniel Williams
Mother's Name: Mary Magdeline Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales
+
Name: Rees Williams
Age: 4 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Daniel Williams
Mother's Name: Mary Magdeline Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales
+
Name: Catherine Rees
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Cardiganshire, Wales
Civil parish: Bedwellty
Ecclesiastical parish: Rumney
Town: Rumney

A GOOD POSSIBLE IS

Daniel Williams
+
Name: Mary Rees
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1860
Registration district: Carmarthen
Inferred County: Carmarthenshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 1006

WITH THE LODGER SHOWING ABOVE, THIS IS PROB MARY'S MUM + MARY WWAS FROM CARMARTHEN SO DOES TIE IN

Re: would a marriage in Italy in 1947 have been registered in the UK

mi2early — 2013-04-14 13:43:26Z

You could start here:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-perso...

would a marriage in Italy in 1947 have been registered in the UK

carole_anne48 — 2013-04-14 11:08:13Z

I am trying to trace details of Herbert Geoffrey Nixon who married an Italian in 1947 in Italy. The marriage certificate gives his details as an officer of 27 years old, born in West Derby to Edith Murray Hendry and Harold Nixon. His wife was issued with a British passport and I assume that this means the marriage was probably registered and recognised in the UK.

Does anyone have any idea where I might find these records or any suggestions as to other places I could look for information?

Many thanks,

Re: Occupation "Gentleman" on UK Marriage Records

RebeccaMCantrell — 2013-03-14 10:50:03Z

Thank you thank you thank you for this post and answer. I have came across an ancestor of mine who was a gentleman. I tried to google it very page had something different to say. One even gave up to four meanings.

Re: Occupation "Gentleman" on UK Marriage Records

judithstrachan1 — 2013-03-07 00:20:21Z

Gentleman usually meant someone who didn't have to work for a living. They didn't have to be upper class, just have enough income not to have to work. It was sometimes used by men who'd retired from a profession or who'd done well in trade.

I have an ancestor who migrated, and on his trip home upon retirement it says Gentleman in the occupation column of the passenger list. Before retirement he ran a baker's shop and his father had been an ag lab.

Occupation "Gentleman" on UK Marriage Records

JamesMarkChampion — 2013-03-06 20:44:56Z

I have come across a few Marriage Records where the bride or groom's father's occupation was listed as either Gentleman or A Gent. In none of these cases was the person a Gentleman in an upperclass sense of the word. Can anyone offer a learned explanation?

Re: UK Divorce - King's Proctor Intervention

aewright136 — 2013-02-28 13:43:46Z

Hi Eveline,

Sorry for the late reply. Thank you - that looks very helpful. I'll see if I can obtain a record from the archives - the 75 year rule should have expired for this.

Thanks,

Andy

Re: Meaning of "minor" on a UK 1852 marriage certificate?

higgy1608 — 2013-02-20 21:00:20Z

This is really helpful, thank you. My original question comes from trying to extrapolate back from the marriage cert to an approximate year of birth which is probably pre-civil registration. The point you raise about getting married in a different parish is an interesting one too and does make me think I should widen my search somewhat. Thank you very much- great to be able to try new avenues where previously it looked a bit of a brick wall!

Re: Meaning of "minor" on a UK 1852 marriage certificate?

JMooWat — 2013-02-20 20:23:24Z

In regard to the last post, I think it is important to note that 'active' parental consent was not necessary for those under 21, AFTER the calling of banns. If parental dissent was not raised during the calling of the banns, in the period up to the ceremony itself, then any marriage that went ahead was valid. Only if the ceremony proceeded following active dissent was the marriage invalidated and the clergyman (afer 1754), liable to transportation.

Therefore, those such as orphans, or who eloped and had the banns called away from the the notice of their parents could and did marry earlier and the marriage was valid. (Source: 'Marriage law for Genealogists the definitive guide', Rebecca Probert, 2012, Kenilworth: Takeaway (Publishing)).

New Functionality on UKGDL - Occupations and Apprentices

mi2early — 2013-02-20 13:56:36Z

News from UKGDL (Genealogical Directories and Lists), the companion site to UKBMD:

"New Functionality on UKGDL - Occupations and Apprentices.

"We have gone through all the sites we link to on UKGDL
making note of all occupation and apprentice lists and
indexes, plus ones with specific information about an
occupation.

"There is a new menu button on UKGDL called Occupations.
This new Occupations option allows you to refine the search
of occupations/apprentices to your specific area of
interest, or browse through the list of occupations.

"For example:

"Refining the list using the word 'farrier' will bring up a
shortened list of 'apprentice farrier' and 'farrier', you
can select one or more of the available occupations and
list the sites that have related information.

"Lots of occupations included, blacksmiths, railway workers,
photographers, public house licensees, miners, seamen and
many many more. We have also included sites which list
mayors, freemen, churchwardens etc.

"There are also links to sites which list old occupations
and descriptions.

"Remember to look for similar occupations. Seaman, Mariner,
and Merchant Navy may bring up a slightly different list of
links."

Re: Meaning of "minor" on a UK 1852 marriage certificate?

Iris2011 — 2013-02-20 09:56:58Z

Great post. I have learned a lot myself. Just in time.

Re: Meaning of "minor" on a UK 1852 marriage certificate?

Iris2011 — 2013-02-20 01:35:13Z

I just found this that may be helpful. However I believe amy ancestor was not age 21 but they didnt have birth certificates!
"After 1753 no marriage of a person under the age of 21 was valid without the consent of parents or guardians. Clergymen who disobeyed the law were liable for 14 years transportation"

It follows that therefore they would be a minor under 21 yrs. Sorry if duplicated didnt have time to look through posts.

Re: UK Divorce - King's Proctor Intervention

EvelineMullen — 2013-02-12 11:57:59Z

Hi,

This is from the National Archives:

In England and Wales suits for divorce and nullity are terminated in two stages: by a decree nisi which after an interval of six weeks may in general be made absolute.

This interval, which is useful for a number of reasons, also enables the Queen's Proctor to make inquiries into such suits, if it is suspected that the decree nisi has been improperly obtained because, for example, material facts have not been brought to the notice of the court.

Any person who has relevant information may supply this to the Queen's Proctor whose duty it is to enquire into the matter.

The Queen's Proctor may take steps to show cause why a decree nisi should not be made absolute, or he may at an earlier stage of the proceedings and with the leave of the court intervene in the suit.

The Divorce Court itself has power to refer cases to the Queen's Proctor for inquiry, and in suits where difficult points of law arise the court may ask for the assistance of the Queen's Proctor to present legal argument. This last procedure is most useful where a legal problem arises in an undefended suit and it may not be possible to obtain full legal argument in any other way.

So it sounds on the face of it that he had not fully disclosed all the facts to the court.

Records are available at the National Archives and are subject to the 75 year rule. Here is the reference if you want to follow it up.

S 29 Title:

HM Procurator General: Registers of Divorce Cases
Description:

Registers containing epitomes of matrimonial cases in which HM Procurator General has shown why a decree nisi should not be made absolute, or has intervened or assisted the Divorce Court as amicus curiae.

The numbers in the volumes indicate the related files.
Date: 1875-1977 Related Material: The main series of divorce files are in J 77

Held by: The National Archives, Kew Legal status: Public Record Language: English Physical description: 17 volume(s) Access conditions: Subject to closure for periods up to 75 years

Hope this helps

Regards

Eveline

UK Divorce - King's Proctor Intervention

aewright136 — 2013-02-11 23:26:44Z

Hello,

In researching a family rumour of bigamy, I found a newspaper article that states: "in July, 1935, [Albert] Knight actually got decree of divorce against his wife at Winchester Assizes. Application had to be made for the decree to be made absolute after six months, but the King's Proctor intervened on account of some misconduct by the pursuer on a former occasion and the decree was not made absolute."

All rather intriguing! Albert remarried without receiving the decree absolute, and was tried for bigamy. I was wondering if there's any way of finding out what his misconduct might have been, and why this led to such an intervention. Were such events unusual?

Thanks,

Andy

Re: divorce in U.K. in 1939

philrees58 — 2013-02-08 08:08:19Z

Thank you mi2early Very helpful.

Re: divorce in U.K. in 1939

mi2early — 2013-02-07 15:20:50Z

Try looking here:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-perso...

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/d...

divorce in U.K. in 1939

philrees58 — 2013-02-07 15:18:54Z

Where would I be able to ascertain details of a divorce in U.K. in 1939?

Re: Meaning of "minor" on a UK 1852 marriage certificate?

andreakkk — 2013-02-03 19:58:47Z

Age of consent

Hardwick's Act fixed the lower legal age of marriage as 14 for men and 12 for women. This was raised to 16 for both sexes in 1929, although parental consent was still required for brides or bridegrooms under age 21. Marriage of a minor by banns without consent did not render the marriage null and void, but was uncommon as usually someone in attendance when the banns were read would object on the grounds of age or lack of consent. Couples often went to another parish where no-one lived that knew their real age. Marriage of a minor by licence without parental consent was null and void, although it still happened, and as Hardwick's Act did not apply to Scotland, marriages in Gretna Green, the nearest Scottish town from the English border, were a regular occurrence for people under the age of 21. In 1939, Scottish law was changed to mirror English law.

In 1969, the minimum age for marriage without parental consent was lowered to 18 years of age.

yes i found something on a link a @guide to marriages' the above information proves useful

Re: Can't find my Great grandmother on the 1901 census?!

robmoff — 2013-01-22 22:07:10Z

Have you seen this onw?:-----
Name: Mary Wilton
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation: Granddaughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Wilton
Gender: Female
Where born: Merthyr, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Eardisley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
Town: Eardisley
County/Island: Herefordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Kington
Sub-registration district: Brilley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Piece: 2497
Folio: 19
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Wilton 72
Jesse Wilton 30
Elizabeth Wilton 27
Mary Wilton 2
View original image
Rob

UKBMD menus - a new option

mi2early — 2013-01-14 18:28:01Z

News from Ian Hartas of UKBMD (http://www.UKBMD.org.uk)-

"Hi, Each of the Local BMD sites that uses the UKBMD software has been updated to add a new features to the Deaths indexes search.

"This new optional feature gives you the opportunity to specify either a year of birth, or the age at death for the person you are seeking.

"For example, on the Yorkshire BMD site if you were to select a range of years, 1837-1850, enter a name of Smith, select Hull as the region and finally enter 1820 as the year of birth the results would show all possible matches, based on the year of death and the age at death, plus or minus one year. This may help locate a death index entry when you know their year of birth, but do not know when they died.

"Alternatively, if you enter a figure of less than 4 digits it assumes that you're asking for a match on the age, so the search will match the age plus or minus one year.

"Many entries have not been indexed with their age at death
and so a "-" will be shown. These will always appear as
possible matches in the search results. The age at death in
these cases may not be a correct match.

"http://www.UKBMD.org.uk/localbmd/

"Note: Cumbria and West Midlands do not have age at death indexed, so this option does not appear on their search screens."

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

owestyo — 2013-01-09 14:29:42Z

You have no idea how helpful this post has been. Thank you very much.

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

owestyo — 2013-01-09 14:23:18Z

Hi Moggyman

This is not a daft question I'm having the same problem myself. If I find out anything or a way forward then you will be the first person I contact.

Cheers Richard

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

jackierees166 — 2013-01-06 20:35:46Z

Most towns and cities have Family History centres, usually at the main library. They have copies of the local church/chapel registers except for Catholic. You need to visit the church if possible or contact the diocese offices

voting rights

theparryfamily1 — 2013-01-03 18:04:03Z

Can anyone help? Could a 19 year old male vote in 1837 or is the record more likely to belong to his father? Thanks

Re: voting rights

theparryfamily1 — 2013-01-02 12:48:09Z

Thanks Megan. You've confirmed my vague thoughts on the subject. Happy New Year/Blwyddyn Newydd Dda oddi wrth Elaine

Re: voting rights

welshladymegan — 2013-01-01 14:43:58Z

Before 1 Jan 1970 you had to be 21 to vote, so the short answer is it would be the father, and the long answer would be it depends.

The Great Reform Act of 1832 extended the right to vote, but not by much. The Act gave the vote in towns only to men who occupied property with an annual value of £10, which excluded six adult males out of seven from the voting process.

Re: James W E MUSSETT born in 1920 in Cloughfold, Lancashire

Merice46 — 2012-12-30 16:03:52Z

Hi,
So are you looking fro info.for your family history research,or just looking foe a living relative with a photograph of your father??

Regards

Sandra

Re: James W E MUSSETT born in 1920 in Cloughfold, Lancashire

Merice46 — 2012-12-30 16:03:40Z

Hi,
So are you looking fro info.for your family history research,or just looking foe a living relative with a photograph of your father??

Regards

Sandra

Re: Question about Abbreviation - British Currency

kbarry11 — 2012-12-15 14:04:25Z

I've arrived late into this intriguing coversation, but, my observation may be of interest.

As you have correctly been advised the marks you've noted are merely dividers; the reason you consider them as quotation marks may be down to the limitations of A.S.C.I. code ~ there's not one for the sterling currency divider markers.

We used double dots, side by side, but NOT placed on the line; they were placed halfway up the height of the numerals. I have a vague recollection of that particular lesson, to this very day. [ Mrs. Stratton, I believe.]

Of interest, may be the treatment, in Britain, of the decimal point. We place the decimal point midway up the height of the numerals. On 'the continent', [Europe b.t.w.] they use a 'comma' thus:[ , ] placed upon the line, to divide the units from the tenths.
That took me a while to get accustomed to.

I'd return to the old method in a heartbeat, if it were my decision. But that's just me.

Re: Electoral registers 1990-2005

susan2670 — 2012-12-08 23:39:26Z

Try http://www.192.com/

Re: Electoral registers 1990-2005

spinstartshere — 2012-12-08 19:31:08Z

Sorry, my original post should say 1990-2001, not 2005. Thank you for the suggestion but it isn't of any help to me because that website only lets you search from 2002 onwards.

Electoral registers 1990-2005

spinstartshere — 2012-12-08 15:21:54Z

Hello,

I have been searching for a way to access the electoral registers for the period of 1990-2005 inclusive, with particular interest in 1991-2001. I am trying to find a relative, but, because the accuracy of the information I have is debatable and getting me nowhere, I thought I might have better luck with the information on the electoral register, but the only way I can access it is by visiting the British Library in London - which I am considering if I have no other alternative. I have found that there is computer software with the electoral register on it ('UK-Info') but I don't think it is available for sale anymore.

I have an address for the person, but the home was demolished in 2001 so I am hoping I might be able to get a name from the electoral register, which I can then use to get further information, with any luck.

I would be ever so grateful if someone would be able to help me out, and I can provide further details to someone if they are willing and able.

Many thanks!

Re: Re: Question about Abbreviation - British Currency

JMooWat — 2012-11-25 08:56:52Z

Having been at school in England a very, very long time ago, we used to use these marks in all of our maths work involving money. The " was written between £ s and d., as I recall. I think I used to write it slightly raised up from the bottom of the line, but perhaps it should have been on the line and I was just a bit sloppy with my work! I believe they were simple separators, used to ensure there was no confusion as to which number referred to £s and which to shillings etc. and were particularly valuable as column separators when performing additions and other calculations.

Re: What can I do to find family history past a disowning?

carobradford — 2012-11-21 20:06:24Z

Hello Adam

One of the golden rules of family history is "beware family stories"! There can often be a grain of truth in them, and sometimes more than that, they can get a bit jumbled up over the generations.

I do hope you (and your father) will forgive me if I say that it sounds a wee bit odd to suddenly change ones name in such a dramatic way, just because it would be "nice".

I note that the GRO marriage index shows your father's name at marriage as both WESLEY-AUGUST and just plain AUGUST,so there must still have been a bit of confusion about what his new name was.

As you say, there are no other recorded WESLEY-AUGUSTs, but there are AUGUSTS with the middle name Wesley, so perhaps you are connected to them. Only careful research will tell. What was your grandfather's name? Do you have his birth and/or marriage certificate?

Best wishes

Caroline

Re: places showing as number

Merice46 — 2012-11-19 20:34:55Z

Hi,
Mught be a batch number on LDS or an LDS film number.Contact the tree owner.

Regards

Sandra

Re: Re: Question about Abbreviation - British Currency

halpark — 2012-10-29 13:51:56Z

If you go to Christine's suggestion and start trawling - Mss. and Special Collections > Accounting > Bills and Receipts > Receipts, Vouchers and Quittances > Bills and Receipts for the Marquis of Titchfield > Enlarge p.1. The sum at the bottom is quite clearly written £50"15"6, although the "quotation marks" are at the bottom, not the top. I would think this is a clear indication that at some point these marks were generally used just to separate the pounds, shillings and pence. In your case probably just the pounds from the shillings because there were no pence involved. There might be even more examples if you trawl around. Hope this is useful.

Re: Question about Abbreviation - British Currency

AnneKeen75 — 2012-10-19 20:21:46Z

I've just picked this query up whilst browsing the board. My best guess is that the " may stand in place for the shillings. As someone who can remember 'real' money, before this decimal rubbish came in, we were taught, if the amount included pounds, to always include pence,even if there were none - the amount would be written as say £1.1s.0d.(and that's a guinea - racehorses are still sold in guineas, not pounds)
A sum of just shillings and pence was written as 1/6 or 1/6d.
This is why I think the " stands for the missing shillings - but I was taught to write £1.0s.0d.,if there were no shillings. I've not seen the " used as a substitute. Could it be a mark used in legal documents only, rather than everyday writings?

Re: Re: Question about Abbreviation - British Currency

BelleRinger — 2012-10-12 10:56:41Z

I don't think this will add anything to what's already been suggested, but it's an interesting explanation of English monetary units nevertheless. It brings to mind the Monty Python question "What did the Romans ever do for us?"

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/manuscriptsandspecialcollections...

Christine