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Re: Court Maintenance Records

mi2early — 2010-01-02 18:04:22Z

Post the details on the Lincolnshire board and I'm sure someone will be able to point you in the right direction.

Good luck!

Re: Court Maintenance Records

Helen_Halliday1986 — 2010-01-02 17:43:02Z

Sorry, I mean for England - From what I can gather the case took part in Lincolnshire

Re: Court Maintenance Records

mi2early — 2010-01-02 17:20:37Z

There is no single judicial system for the entire United Kingdom. You'll need to say if this was in England, Wales, the Channel Islands, the Isle of Man, Scotland, Northern Ireland, . . .

Re: Court Maintenance Records

Helen_Halliday1986 — 2010-01-02 17:06:12Z

For the UK

Re: Marriage listed as Suffolk, Lancashire

paulwb22 — 2010-01-02 16:35:33Z

Thanks to all of you.

Like I thought its just a slight error, tecwynsavage thanks for that, it does confirm it (my grandmother was born Olwen Mary Morgan, but later in life preferred to use the name Mary as her first name.

Re: Court Maintenance Records

mi2early — 2010-01-02 15:31:27Z

For which country?

Court Maintenance Records

Helen_Halliday1986 — 2010-01-02 14:49:25Z

I'm interested to know how to go about searching court records from the 1920s/1930s in the UK, the particular case I'm researching is regarding the legitimacy of a child and the payment for it.
Does anyone know how would be able to access court records? Is there a site, a place or someone I can contact?
Would be grateful for any suggestions as I'm stumped with this one!
Many thanks,
Helen

Re: Marriage listed as Suffolk, Lancashire

tecwynsavage — 2009-12-31 21:49:25Z

Furthermore, the lady's name is given as Olwen M Morgan, which should help you confirm if it's the correct marriage or not.

Re: Marriage listed as Suffolk, Lancashire

tecwynsavage — 2009-12-31 21:46:27Z

The original shows Bury; no mention of Suffolk, so the error must be in the transcription.

Re: Marriage listed as Suffolk, Lancashire

velpremus — 2009-12-31 08:59:28Z

The transcription is just one of many millions of mistranscribed enteries - The registration shows the record is in Volume 8c - which is Bury, Lancashire.

Re: Marriage listed as Suffolk, Lancashire

Merice46 — 2009-12-31 08:20:34Z

Hi,
Which BMD listing are you looking at? Maybe someone on this site can verify the marriage reg. for you????Which year and quarter.

Regards

Sandra

Re: Citizenship

texasrangerjp — 2009-12-31 02:33:15Z

Murray thanks that is the most complete and logical answer I have recieved thanks

Re: Citizenship

Murray Archer — 2009-12-30 23:47:36Z

British Citizenship was created by the British Nationality Act 1948. Prior to then it was a foreign concept.

Your man in the 19th Century probably considered himself to be Irish. At the time that would have made him a British Subject.

Most official forms completed within the UK would have classified him as Irish, but forms completed abroad (and especially outside of the British Empire) would classify him as British.

Re: Deed Poll

Murray Archer — 2009-12-30 23:29:34Z

Try the Poor Law records for the Poor Law district where he was domiciled (if they survive). They might be closed until 100 years after the event, but try it.

Also search the archives for court cases.

Re: Marriage listed as Suffolk, Lancashire

Murray Archer — 2009-12-30 23:17:09Z

Typo ^that should be Bury-St. Edmunds in Suffolk.

Re: Marriage listed as Suffolk, Lancashire

Murray Archer — 2009-12-30 23:15:47Z

It looks like a confusion between Bury in Lancashire and Bury-St. Edmonds in Suffolk.

I suggest that you check the marriages index before you place an order.

Re: Seeking Paternity, need help of an attorney

Murray Archer — 2009-12-30 22:38:11Z

Please note that the law and legal system in Scotland is different to that in England and Wales, so it would help if you know in which country the case was heard.

If it was in Scotland, you might find it in the online index to the National Archives of Scotland.

Marriage listed as Suffolk, Lancashire

paulwb22 — 2009-12-30 22:00:00Z

Bit of a strange problem this, so apologies in advance if its in the wrong category.

After working on tracing my roots from my fathers side of the family, i've now started working on my mothers side. I'm interested in ordering a marriage certificate i've found of my grandmother and grandfather.

While the Registration district is listed as Bury, the Registration county is listed as Suffolk,Lancashire, obviously Suffolk is not in Lancashire, so i'm just wondering could this have been a clerical error with the records.

I'm pretty sure the document i've searched is correct as its got the correct name of my grandfather (Harry Dutfield) and my grandmothers maiden name (Morgan), but this has put a slight doubt in my head.

William Harrison from Nottinghamshire

paulamanners12 — 2009-12-29 01:26:52Z

Hi I have been tracing my family Harrison. Starting with William Harrison from Nottinghamshire Brn South Leverton married Mary Hannah Spittlehouse in 1870.They had tree children John and twins Joseph and George. Any link with your research? Regards Paula. My e-mail is rtd.manners@homecall.co.uk as most of my research is with genes reunited and not sure how it work with Ancestry.

Re: abbreviation M.I. in "Visitation of england and Wales"

scriber70 — 2009-12-21 09:42:38Z

This is probably old if not ancient hat now but I've only just started on family history. I'd noticed "MI" in "Visitation...", too, and wondered.

According to "British History Online" a meaning is "Monumental Inscription" and this fits in with the occurrences of "MI" in "Visitation...", ie only but not always where burial information is given.

Plausible?

Re: BMD records from 2005

crusoe123 — 2009-12-11 05:23:38Z

This is a copy of the message, given by Find My Past, about records for 2006 and later. You cannot search online.

GRO has withdrawn the service to sell birth, marriage and death marriage indexes and the last indexes supplied to commercial customers are for 2006 Births and Deaths.
To apply for the certificate of a marriage which occurred after 2005, it is necessary to contact the appropriate registration office directly.
A list of contact details for registration offices can be found at Genuki.org.uk

Re: BMD records from 2005

roseterry_1 — 2009-12-10 19:38:39Z

Thanks Stephen

That is a good idea, I will do just that.

Rosemary

Re: BMD records from 2005

rivergoyt — 2009-12-10 17:57:12Z

you could contact

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Dl1/Directories/index.htm

who may give the advise you seek.

stephen

I need some general advice for UK search - please!

moggyman — 2009-12-08 14:26:10Z

My apologies if I'm posting this in the wrong place but this is all new to me and we all have to start somewhere.

I've just started researching my family tree and going back through time is off and running but my question relates to coming forwards in time.

For example, my maternal G-G Mother had several siblings I never knew about but with UK online census records stopping at 1911, can some more experienced user please advise me on the 'best' way to find out who their descendents were/are, when/who they married, children they had, where they are now?? What are the most useful resources out there either online or that I can get to locally? I'd really like to find some living relations for my elderly Mother but as a newbie and with so many places on the internet to look I would really appreciate some pointers from someone who has been there. I hope some kind soul will help! Thanks.

UK BMD records from 2005

roseterry_1 — 2009-11-20 16:17:24Z

Does anybody know how I find BMD's, for the UK, from 2005 up to the present day.

Re: BMD records from 2005

roseterry_1 — 2009-11-18 10:17:11Z

Many thanks for the info Crusoe123.

I had a feeling this was the case, back to the drawing board! I think I know the area so I might just ask the local office to do a search for me.

Re: BMD records from 2005

crusoe123 — 2009-11-18 09:47:16Z

I don't think you will find them online, because they have not been released by the authorities. There was a message on Find my past at one time, to say that there would be no more after 2006 because of this.

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

roseterry_1 — 2009-11-06 22:20:07Z

Katy

Did you manage to get any information from the Genuki website or the Family History Society of Tipperary?

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

katy1161 — 2009-10-31 11:04:59Z

wonderful - will do,

Many thanks

Katy

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

roseterry_1 — 2009-10-31 11:03:21Z

Have you tried the Genuki website www.genuki.org.uk just email and see what happens.
Normally family history societies cover the whole county so if you join and just ask for a search just quoting the name you should get something back.

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

katy1161 — 2009-10-30 23:19:38Z

Hi Frances
Unfortunaley I have no idea which town this family came from - the nearest information I have is from certificates and " Tipperary " was all that was given.
These girls emigrated to Australia in the mid 1800's and never returned.
also I find that the name Barry is quite common and I have been unable to locate a marriage of the parents or any other siblings.
I have tried the Mormon IGI and the ancestry records as well. Irish records seem to be difficult to find.
thanks for your suggestions
Best regards
Katy

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

katy1161 — 2009-10-30 23:14:16Z

many thanks for your reply Karen.

I too love trawling thru old burial grounds looking at headstones. sadly that is not going to help me in this case as I am on the other side of the globe..

I am glad that you are enjoying your new found hobby but, beware of just how addictive it can be.
cheers
Katy

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

katy1161 — 2009-10-30 23:11:19Z

Thank you for your reply. Will look into it, unfortunately I have no idea just where in Tipperary this family came from. I am seriouly considering a professional researcher as I find that getting Irish records is near to impossible.
thank once again
Katy

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

roseterry_1 — 2009-10-28 19:43:59Z

If you contact the local Family History Society which covers the town/village your family came from, it's possible they will have very reasonably priced books which have been taken from the Bishops Transcripts. These books list names of births, marriages and death/burial dates. The only thing is it wll just give names and dates but you can check the appropriate Bishops Transcript in case the Vicar or Priest added extra information such as next of kin etc.

Good luck

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

karenandersen15 — 2009-10-09 22:36:09Z

Hi
I am v new to this aswell I have only been doing the family tree thing about 3 months now, I hve found it very interesting. I have been dragging my poor son round churchyards and looking at parish records it is quite anoying when you cant read headstones. I have found if you have a common name someone else may have done some of the work for you. if not it is just a bit of shoe leather and time.
Happy Hunting

Karen x

Re: UK BMD updates in September 2009

mi2early — 2009-09-28 21:10:45Z

I'm afraid I've no idea. I'm just the messenger. ;-)

Go to UK BMD, find the location in which you're interested, then go to the appropriate page for that location. You'll find a contact address there.

You could also post on the pertinent location board(s) for your ancestors. Someone is bound to be able to help or at least point you in the right direction.

Good luck!

Re: UK BMD updates in September 2009

ashrogers1 — 2009-09-28 19:25:51Z

Are there lots more to be put on then?

I am really struggling to find death records for a lot of my relatives.

UK BMD updates in September 2009

mi2early — 2009-09-27 15:53:59Z

New records have been added for Cheshire, Lancashire, Wiltshire, and Yorkshire.

To search, go to http://www.ukbmd.org.uk and select your county of interest or use UKBMD's Multi-Region Search.

Many thanks to all who have made UK BMD possible.

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

stevieatstrath — 2009-09-16 15:36:47Z

.. google search the term 'Hugh Wallis' ... and when google gives you it's list .. click on the one that says 'Batch Numbers' ... once you get to know this site, you will see that you can go and look at pre 1837 church birth / marriage records for any parish ... this are searchable by entering any surname.

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

francesholcroft — 2009-09-06 03:49:03Z

Hi - You do not say which local town your family member was born in.

Ancestry have a facility for searching England and Wales Christening records.

If your relative was born in Lancashire
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Then there is family search the morman site
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

Good luck with your search

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

moggyman — 2009-08-31 13:44:33Z

Once again everyone - many thanks for your input.

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

pmaustin31 — 2009-08-30 19:38:42Z

Go to the local records office or contact then first to check what records they have. this would be the county records office. they should have copies of all local church records,parish chests, wills, and loads of other stuff.
happy hunting

Re: HELP! Can't find my great grandma's birth record - SURNAME GILES

ian_connell — 2009-08-20 16:05:04Z

Hi

Just had a quick look and found a Mabel Constance Giles born 1886 Oct-Dec Vol 5B Page 321 Area Stoke D, dont know where Stoke D is. also found 1901 census Ref RG13/752

Living at
27 Mount Sion, Tunbrige Wells
Louis Giles aged 17 domestic cook
Mabel C Giles aged 15 Housemaid born Tunbridge Wells

hope this info helps

Ian

Re: look up please on the new criminal register

LouBarson1 — 2009-08-19 22:39:03Z

Larceny and he was imprisoned but the record is too faint to read the actual prsion term

Re: look up please on the new criminal register

LouBarson1 — 2009-08-19 22:33:25Z

Larceny and he was imprisoned but the record is too faint to read the actual prsion term

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

sharonpatriciajackson — 2009-08-06 17:33:38Z

you could try familysearch.org

Re: UK Searching pre 1841

shhome — 2009-08-03 14:26:08Z

Hi everyone,
I have been doing my Family Tree for sometime now and might be able to pass on a few useful tips for those now entering that dreaded black hole - ie beyond Census and BMD records!

As one of the correspondents on this thread said, it does eventually become a case of actually doing some legwork (literally) and visiting the towns where your relatives lived (can be very interesting anyway and put 'meat on the bones' so to speak) and this can work out well if they were always in the same area, but not so easy if they moved all over the country or countries and perhaps even had a name like Smith!

As it was mentioned on here, I presume you have all found that brilliant website www.familysearch.org, which has millions of Parish Records from different countries, going back hundreds of years. This is the Church of the Latter Day Saints' (Mormon) website. We have them to thank for more or less single handedly (beginning in the 1930's I believe), not only transcribing all our surviving old Parish Church Records but also putting them onto film so we can see the originals and thereby saving them all for posterity. These they then generously made available to the public and at no charge.

As well as their copies of Parish Records, they also include 'word of mouth' genealogy information of births, marriages etc, passed down through the families of their Church members.
Because these are not taken from the Parish Records, the information is noted down with the letters LDS.ie that it has been supplied by one of their members.

Often these are quite accurate and if not entirely so,(like our own family info gleaned from ageing Aunties and Uncles!) can give you some possible leads or clues as where to search next. But also bear in mind, they can be completely wrong too!

On their website, if you click on LIBRARY on the top bar and select FAMILY HISTORY CENTERS you may be able to find one reasonably close to you. These are open to everyone, not just members of the Church and you can view the records on their micro fiche readers. If you are not searching locally, then you can ask them to get in fiches from other counties or countries. For details of what they can provide, just click on the options on the left bar.

Another useful thing to know is, if whilst searching on their website you happen to come across a family member or possible one, then look down to the bottom to the SOURCE INFORMATION. It will list a batch number with C in front for Christenings and M for marriages. Click on this and it will open up another search window. Just add the SURNAME of the family and it will give you all the records with that surname from that particular Church. I have found many siblings, parents and even grandparents by doing this.

Another useful website if you want to select churches in a particular town, is to use Hugh Wallis IGI Batch Numbers. He set his web site up because he was aware that Familysearch didnt allow you to search on a surname only, (except when you went into a batch as I described above)or even on a particular town or county, which is okay if the name is reasonably uncommon, but not if it is Smith or Brown. These are his Genealogical Web Sites.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis...
Here you can select a county, then a town and the churches and their records. He does not include any LDS entries, only those from Parish Records.

He also has a Middle Name Index, which can prove very useful if a name runs through a family. In the past, when a couple married, the mother's maiden name, was often included as the middle name (as we now still have double barrelled surnames - but deemed to be a bit posh!) and these were passed down through the families. But not just her's, the paternal grandmothers' were also used and other family members. Sometimes they included an ancestor's name because they were well known or famous, which can be very intriguing if you find one in your family - and worth a search!

If you look down further on this website, Hugh Wallis is the OPC (online parish clerk) for Devon and has a special interest in the Stoke Damerel and Plymouth areas. So if your family came from Devon, this is very useful as he provides 'look-ups'.

It is also quite a good idea to join your local Family History Society if you are just starting out, even if you dont have ancestors in the area as their members can be a mine of information, especially for a newby. Or you could join one of the oounty ones - most are listed online, if you're searching elsewhere.

Hope this helps.

UK BMD updates in July 2009

mi2early — 2009-07-30 15:27:28Z

New records have been added for Cheshire, Wiltshire, and Yorkshire.

To search, go to http://www.ukbmd.org.uk and select your county of interest or use UKBMD's Multi-Region Search.

Many thanks to all who have made UK BMD possible.

Re: UKGDL -- a companion site to UKBMD

halpark — 2009-07-28 22:11:10Z

Google "ancestorsonboard".

Seeking Paternity, need help of UK attorney

parrotsale — 2009-07-17 20:55:22Z

Does anyone know of an attorney in the UK that can help with a Paternity suit in the late 1800s. Any help will be appreciated.
Email addresses would be the best way for me to contact them, since I live in the United States.
Thanks!
Sue Parker Rosen