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Russia: Karlik/Kapaslik/Karlyk/Cagarlik (different spellings) - can't find village! Why?

outwest6112  (View posts) Posted: 17 Jun 2009 7:16AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Bajewski Bayefsky Bafsky Bofsky Byer
Can anyone help me find this village/town in Russia? The original surname was Bajewski, but morphed to Bayefsky/Bofsky/Bafsky/Byer. They all came from 'Karlik'. The town/village is listed in numerous documents from naturalization records to ship manifests to census'. It is spelled differently in everything. I am sure it is the same place. It is always listed as in Russia.

The trouble is, I can not find it anywhere in Russia. This family was Jewish and members arrived in US between 1890-1900, with a couple coming 1900-1906. Is the village no longer there because it was a Jewish village and they all left or were killed later? Where is/was this place?

Here are the various village spellings(is it a village?)as listed in various documents and years:

1899: Kagaslik or Kapaslik or Kajaslik or Kagarslik (scribbly writing on ship manifest)
1909: Karlyk
1913: Kardick
1922: Karlik
1924: Karliek
1924: Cagarlek

I realize it could be in Poland, too, as part of Poland was Russian then. I did find a Karlik in Turkey, but I am dubious that is the same place. The family has always said 'Russia' never 'Turkey'.

I appreciate any insight to this frustrating identification.

Re: Ukraine:Karlik/Kapaslik/Karlyk/Cagarlik (different spellings) - can't find village! Why?

ZlaticaBeca  (View posts) Posted: 17 Jun 2009 11:31AM GMT
Classification: Query
I looked on few of manifests where the ancestor was from Karlik, Russia and noted that Kiew was used after Karlik. Another example :
Pawolotzky, Benjamin Karlyk, Kiew, Russia 14 1893
Pawolotzky, Liebe Karlyk, Kiew, Russia 11 1896 1907
Pawolotzky, Meische Karlyk, Kiew, Russia 48 1859 1907
Pawolotzky, Mene Karlyk, Kiew, Russia 45 1862 1907
Pawolotzky, Michne Karlyk, Kiew, Russia 5 1902 1907

So this village is now in Ukraine and could be incorporated into a larger town.
Try www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm
http://igrek.amzp.pl/mapindex.php?cat=WIG100
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm

Re:Karlik (Kagarlyk S. of Kiev) Ukraine

ZlaticaBeca  (View posts) Posted: 17 Jun 2009 11:56AM GMT
Classification: Query
http://books.google.com/books?id=K0Q8FBnnPNcC&pg=PA34&am...

Karlik ... SW of Kiev Located about halfway between Zhitomir and ...42.6 miles SSE of Kyyiv 50°26' N 30°31' E
http://atlas.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&am...

Re: Kagarlyk (Kahorlik)

ZlaticaBeca  (View posts) Posted: 17 Jun 2009 12:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/48-50.jpg
right side of the map by small 50 Kagarlyk ( Kahorlik)

Baier, Chaie Karlik, Russia 42 1880 1922
Byer, Ester Karlik, Russia 13 1909 1922
Byer, Michel Karlik, Russia 16 1906 1922
Byer, Pesie Karlik, Russia 10 1912 1922
Byer, Jankel Kaklik, Russia 15 1907 1922 I am sure you found these in www.ellisislandrecords.org
www.jewishgen.org
http://genforum.com

Re: Kagarlyk (Kahorlik)

outwest6112  (View posts) Posted: 18 Jun 2009 4:18AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Byer
Oh, WOW! Thank you SO much. It makes perfect sense that it was in Ukraine now that I think about it. I don't know how you found it so easily and so thoroughly. I had a terrible time and my posting was a last ditch effort to locate it. I guess I should have been looking in these alternate sources.

I did find that family coming through Ellis Island and wonder if they are related, too.

Thank you again. You are an awesome researcher.
-Byer

Re: Kagarlyk (Kahorlik)

ZBeca  (View posts) Posted: 18 Jun 2009 1:50PM GMT
Classification: Query
Glad that I was able to help in your research.
Church records in LDS-Mormons
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermain...= but not Jewish.
Zlatica :)

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