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Re: GONG from Canton China b c 1885

rip1944 — 2009-11-02 21:20:19Z

I have done some research on the fascinating ALLOO family, and also highly recommend Steven Young's site.

However, there is an error in the date when the family came to NZ: their last daughter born in Smythesdale, Victoria was Helena (Maude) Alloo, born 1867, so the family could not have travelled here in 1865, but probably 1868.

I spotted somewhere (and accidentally lost the link) which said that John came in the Omeo in 1865, and that Helena was 1 when the family came over. It is also apparent that he must have gone back to Victoria in time to help make Helena for her birth in Smythesdale, Victoria, in 1867.

A member of my family, Arthur James Philip Penman (mother born Cecilia Eliza Phillips), was briefly married (1922-before 1930) to John Alloo's granddaughter Lorna Mary Von Haast.

Her blood lines were fascinating: one grandfather was John Alloo, a very famous Chinese who became the first ethnic Chinese to become a sworn policeman in NZ - though only after intervention by the Prime Minister of the day; the other was the famous Prussian explorer/naturalist Sir (Johan Franz) Julius Von Haast KCMG, FRS, who left his name on much of our most fabulous scenery.

I imagine that it would have been very difficult to be of both Chinese and German descent in extremely xenophobic New Zealand of the early 1900s, with the 1914-1918 war compounding matters!

More data is available on request from robert(dot)phillips(at)xtra(dot)co(dot)nz.

Robert.

Re: Gunther a Tide waiter / surveyor

GerryDoyle51 — 2009-10-30 06:20:32Z

I had a look at the Chinese Maritime Customs site from Bristol University and see they now have lists by nationality. I think your Gunther is in the German list. The bulletin board for this site comes up with a different site.
Has anyone contacted the Nanking Archives where the records for the CIMCS are kept?
Regards Gerry

Re: Gunther a Tide waiter / surveyor

eingermann — 2009-10-30 00:23:46Z

Hello Annette,

I just read through your thread and I am interested if you found anything. My grand parents are buried in a cemetery near Swatow but I have not been able to find anything on the net.

Thanks,
-Erik (e_ingermann@yahoo.com)

Seeking death info U.S. Citizen 1928 Shanghai

Dtree5237 — 2009-09-27 19:12:37Z

Escott Winton Powers, aka, A.W. "Billie" Powers, was musician on the SS Nanking, Matsonia, & Siberia Maru, 1920-1928. Last known residence was Shanghai, China, according to California 1928 Passenger & Crew List.

No record of U.S. date or place of death.

Open to any & all suggestions.
Thank you.

Dolores Dobbs Reece

Tracing my Grandfather's RootsChi Casio

chinagirl19us — 2009-09-26 05:26:28Z

My grandfather's Chinese name is Zhu Jia Zhao (朱家兆). In Cantonese it's called Yu Ga Siu. That is what I was told. His was known in Havana, Cuba as federico Chi Casio. He was born in April 8, 1883 in Paobu, Taishan. Trying to locate his family. Lived in Cuba married Rosa Betancourt. Died 1964. 3 children, Nieves, Teresa, Federico. Had a son and duaghter in Taishan who moved to Hong Kong 1964 son and daughter to San Francisco in 1960-1970's who had a son and grandchildren. Will be visiting China next year. Trying to trace my roots.

Chi Casio Name Meanign Translation

chinagirl19us — 2009-09-26 05:20:52Z

Here is my grandfather's Chinese name is Zhu Jia Zhao (朱家兆). In Cantonese it's called Yu Ga Siu. That is what I was told. From Paobu, Taishan.

Chi Casio

chinagirl19us — 2009-09-26 05:15:57Z

I am looking for information on my grandfather Chi Casio. He was known in Cuba as Federico Chi Casio. Born in Paobu, Taishan April 8, 1883. Married in Taishan previously and had a son and daughter. Married in 1931 to Rosa Blanca Betancourt Pedroso. Children Nieves, Teresa, and Federico. Mentioned in book "Chinese in Cuba-1847-Now". See attachment for Chinese written name. Will be visiting China next year. Any suggestions on how to locate his family in Taishan? I think I have his name translated with some help.

Re: Yapsing

cjoseph5 — 2009-09-25 04:24:09Z

thank you

Re: Yapsing

helenw1952 — 2009-09-24 21:40:37Z

Try posting your query here

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Re: Can anyone help me Re HAINAN Name

helenw1952 — 2009-09-24 21:34:27Z

Do you have any idea where your ancestors originated? Do you have any Chinese cahracters, history to share, gravvestone lettering? If so, try postin in the message board below, with as much information as you have.

http://siyigenealogy.proboards.com/index.cgi?

Can anyone help me Re HAINAN Name

Ane57 — 2009-09-23 18:02:17Z

Hainan is name on my birth certificate
Cant find many with this name in U.K. where i live
If i google it always Hainan Island in China that comes up
Also if i try tracing anyone on facebook with this name
seem to be a lot of people of Chinese origin with this name
Can any one help me please.

Re: HoHow/Chinapoo 1866, HoKitOn/Joseph Awon, Henry Alook 1900+

avap14 — 2009-09-13 12:11:26Z

Hi Liz,
I have not been on Ancestry.com for many years. I do believe that I have met you. I knew Astor, and Bunny. As a matter of fact, I visited your Dad at the POSGH when he was ailing. I also have an uncle with the same name- Astor, better known as Pouy. He is a dentist - Dr. Astor Victor Awon.
I have been trying for some time to communicate with our relatives in China, but alas it has been fruitless. San Shui, where our relatives originated is no longer a small village, but a city that deals with lots of trade, and I have heard that the Labour Camp is there. You step out of line, and you are lost there forever. Because it is not a tourist attraction, you do not hear much about it in the brochures.
Apart from which, with the many wars that transpired in China, most of our relatives have probably been dispursed all over the world. Our only salvation is getting the DNA match up. It is amazing.
All the best.
AnnV.

Re: Seeking information on Chinese heritage

shonahoma — 2009-09-06 00:02:13Z

Hi there, been doing a bit of family tree work and moy sik is actually my granddad,i can try to help you out with your queries

Re: Rev. Nelson-Bitton Shanghai 1898

willdown — 2009-08-23 05:47:40Z

Dear Fuzheng

Just checking to make sure my last email with my home email address got to you as I am having trouble with my email account and not all messages are coming in or out.
Regards
Jan

Re: Rev. Nelson-Bitton Shanghai 1898

willdown — 2009-08-12 00:56:01Z

Dear Fuzheng

Thank you for your email. My private email address is willdown@gil.com.au and I look forward to hearing from you.

kind regards
Jan

Re: Burial of British Citizens in Shanghai 1914

twiglethomas — 2009-08-06 07:17:41Z

Hi Janice
Thank you for contacting me – wow, what a lot of names! I am presuming that the families you are interested in are Charles & Osmund Cleverly. Charles having married Mary Pope (sister of John Pope) with a daughter marrying a James Mooney? I do have details of the grave of John Pope in Hong Kong plus copies of a number of wills plus access to a whole wealth of other information about these families. It would be better to contact me direct at twiglet.thomas@tiscali.co.uk If you are interested in details of my background these can be found at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/dustyfiles
Christine

Re: Burial of British Citizens in Shanghai 1914

JaniceWebb44 — 2009-08-06 02:36:59Z

I have ancestors who lived in Shanghai and Hong Kong. The names I am interested in are: Brandt, Mooney, Iljin, Ackerman, Cleverly, Osmund, Fagan and Pope.

Many Thanks,

Janice

Re: Burial of British Citizens in Shanghai 1914

twiglethomas — 2009-07-31 18:38:16Z

I have a database of over 1,100 Shanghai burials 1859 - 1899 and am adding to it all the time. Also included are many thousands of deaths of British subjects in China during the 19th. century. More importantly, during my 20 years in Hong Kong I transcribed and indexed all the legible inscriptions in the former HK Colonial Cemetery which dates back to 1844. I added to this with corresponding burial records and newspaper reports on deaths. I will do a search for free but if it produces a match then I do ask for a small payment to cover all my expenses.

Re: Russians in Harbin, China around 1900-1936

SHendricks — 2009-06-11 21:28:41Z

My great-grandmother's maiden name was Ekaterina Mikhailovna Nikolaevna. She was born in Ostashkov, near Kiev, Ukraine. Her mother was Irina Semonovna. From what I can tell, both Nikolaev and Semonov are common Russian surnames.

My great-grandmother and her 2nd husband, Arseny Vlasoff lived in Tientsin (now Tianjin) from about 1921 to 1949. In 1949 they fled the communist advances and went to Shanghai to catch a ship to Tubabao, Philippines. They were Displaced Persons there until 1951 when the US allowed them and a couple thousand others from Russia to come in to the country.

It is unknown what happened to her first husband, my grandmother's father, Ivan Petrovich Plasovsky. My grandmother last saw him in 1928. It was presumed that he returend to the Soviet Union.

I would be happy to hear if there is other family still in Russia.

Re: George Brown Harris/Lavinia Caroline Zinzan

lindalou139 — 2009-03-30 05:13:56Z

Hi There

I am Linda Harris, wife of Chris Zinzan Harris, New Zealand Test Cricketer. You may already have your reply but yes Chris is related to thisfamily. His brothers are Ben Zinzan Harris and Tim Zinzan Harris. They are the sons of Sally Patricia Harris (nee Lillicoe) and Parke Gerald Zinzan Harris.

Hope this helps.

Kindest regards
Linda Harris

Re: George Brown Harris/Lavinia Caroline Zinzan

cripesamighty — 2009-06-07 20:50:24Z

Hi All,
Just this minute I have been adding the name Zinzan to my family tree.
My connection come from alot longer ago than those mentioned here.

I believe the Zinzan's here are decendents of Allessandro Zinzan. He was born c1520. His grt grt grandson Peter(Alexander) Zinzan born c1638,Tilehurt, Berkshire, England.
Married a Judith Gunter. Judith is an ancestor of my mother.
I have the Gunter line all the way back to 1035. Though I could go back even further, to Charlemagne - King of the Franks.(2 April 742 – 28 January 814) thats just a little silly.

I have not yet made it to those here..but I am just a few gens short of making the connection. As I believe Robert Vaux Zinzan is one of those in the line to be added.

Anyway...just thought I'd throw in my tuppence.
Regards
Paul

Re: Looking for any information surnames Ah Sam & Tim See Foo

capricorn45 — 2009-07-31 03:18:45Z

Hi
I am a great grandchild of Thomas Ah Sam and Rose O'Donnell. Phoebe Ah Sam is my late grandmother who married Henry West Jansen.

Re: HoHow/Chinapoo 1866, HoKitOn/Joseph Awon, Henry Alook 1900+

cchinapoo — 2009-05-04 14:55:52Z

Hello

My name is Christopher Chinapoo this is the same story that I have been told of my ancestory. My email is cchinapoo@gmail.com and my phone number is 4711424 I have some more info on the family tree

Re: Rev. Nelson-Bitton Shanghai 1898

willdown — 2009-07-31 03:22:52Z

Hello Tuzheng
Thank you for your email. Yes I am very interested in what you have. Rev. Nelson-Bitton was my great grandfather but I have limited contact with the family in England (so don't know a lot about the family) as my Grandmother and Grandfather (John Nelson-Bitton, son of Rev. Nelson-Bitton and his first wife Lucy [am finding it very hard to find information about Lucy as she died just after they returned to England - I suspect that it was because of her health that they went back]) ran away to Australia to marry as my grandmother's parents did not approve of the marriage. So any information is great to have.
Regards
Jan

Re: Robinson + Lawson - Tientsin China

OysterFisher — 2009-05-03 01:56:21Z

Good Morning,
I have found this link exceedingly useful as i have a Chinese ancestor.
http://siyigenealogy.proboards.com/index.cgi?
Good Luck,
Best wishes
pamela

Re: Yapsing

cjoseph5 — 2009-07-29 21:14:52Z

my name is christina...basically my great grandfather left cuba and migrated to jamaica in the ... his name was egbert yapsing but last was changed to austin when he entered jamaica since they couldt prounce it and he spoke little to no english.. he left his father and mother as well as sister in cuba.( which are my grandfathers grandparents and aunt) unfortunateky i do not have the name of his aunt in cuba.. he doesnt remember( my grandfather) i just have pictures of her as well as my greatgrandfather.. i basically looking for family of them in cuba or wherever since i hear its not a common name.. i can email you the pictures. where r u from?

Douglas Wong, Billy Soon Wong, chun Yin Cheung

chelleb_hawaii — 2009-04-10 22:03:32Z

I am searching for Douglas William Wong, born 8/08/1950, possibly in alameda,CA. I found a birth certificate w/ mother: chun yin cheung and father billy soon wo wong. Douglas was a merchant marine and stopped over to Honolulu, HI. He left to California and worked as a school bus mechanic. any help would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Bun Hing Wong

chelleb_hawaii — 2009-04-10 21:41:20Z

I am searching for Douglas William Wong, born 8/08/1950, possibly in alameda,CA. I found a birth certificate w/ mother: chun yin cheung and father billy soon wo wong. He was a merchant marine and a bus mechanic. any help would be greatly appreciated.

Re: Wong, Douglas

chelleb_hawaii — 2009-04-10 20:25:35Z

Aloha! I know it's been a while but I'm still trying to locate Douglas William Wong, born 8/08/1950. I obtained a birth certificate from Alameda, Ca. parents listed as mother Chun Yin Cheung and father Billy Soon Wo Wong. Douglas was a merchant marine and then a mechanic for a bus company. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Abigail How/ Edward Ellwood (1796-?)

spfx4film — 2009-06-02 18:44:31Z

I am in search of any living descendant's of Edward Ellwood brn: (1795) married to Abigail How brn: (1796). Their children were; Hannah brn: (1824), Joseph brn: (1828), James brn: (1830), Charlotte brn: (1834), Abraham brn: (1840) and John brn: (1838). John was the father of George Alexander Ellwood. My Great-great Grandfather was George Alexander Ellwood brn: 28 Dec 1862. He married Eliza Crow brn: 9 May 1859 from Canterbury, Kent, England. George and Eliza died in Rutland, Vermont, USA.
George's siblings were; John Edward (1860), Annie (1862), Emma Sarah (1866), Lucy Ellen (1870), and Joseph Noel (1873).
On 21 July 2009-31 July, I will be visiting the Hertfordshire area with my mother Beverly Jean Ellwood-Blanchard (1929), George's 80 year old granddaughter. We will be visiting ancestral churches and in hopes of meeting living relatives. Beverly's lifelong dream has been to travel to England in search of relatives and I am finally able to offer this to her.
If anyone has any information that would help locate any descendants of the above relatives please forward the information to me on Ancestry.com or by email at (spfx4film@aol.com).
Sincere thanks
Joel P. Blanchard

Re: Yapsing

crisbabe205 — 2009-07-29 02:07:19Z

who is this? and what is the first name you are looking for?

Re: Rev. Nelson-Bitton Shanghai 1898

kellyfz — 2009-07-25 03:39:16Z

I am Fuzheng and working for Zhejiang University, in Hangzhou, China. I am doing research on the educational activities of London Missionary Society, and happen to get two works of Nelson Bitton:1) "Our heritage in china (London Missionary Society", 1913),2)Griffith John: the apostle of central China.
If you have interest, please contact me.

Re: Looking for any information surnames Ah Sam & Tim See Foo

LizSam71 — 2009-04-05 12:50:56Z

I have quite a lot of info about the Ah Sams and would be happy to share it with you. The Maud Ellen I have married Francis Graham in 1926. Please contact me privately via my profile.

Re: HICKMOTT WATSON

dawnbristow — 2009-07-29 16:19:15Z

Hello Stephen

I have just started our family tree and am looking for Helen Hickmott who was born and lived in Shanghai. She was born in 1918 but she had a brother Alfred John who was born about 1908. I am not sure if he was born in Shanghai.

I am hoping that as such a long time has passed since you posted your message, you may have some additional information.

I do have some information re Alfred John if we are lookng for the same family.

Thanking you in anticipation

Dawn Bristow

Re: Burial of British Citizens in Shanghai 1914

shp6440 — 2009-04-15 04:43:15Z

It is true unfortunately that all things Western were removed/destroyed from 1949 & through the 1950's.
I have spent a lot of time in Shanghai looking for Western Graves and basically there are none left and trying to find any records is nye on impossible also.
From a lot of research I have been trying to rebuild some burial indexes but its slow work
I would be most interested to hear from anyone who is having more success than I have had to date
But if you have a Jewish ancestor you are looking for the news is somewhat better - there is a very active group in Shanghai who have done a wonderful job at finding & rescuing the old headstone & piecing together the Jewish History in Shanghai
Their website is
http://www.shanghaijewishmemorial.com.29.html
and Dvir Bar-Gal of this group does walking tour through old Jewish Shanghai which if you are going to Shanghai is well worth contacting
But sadly there is no other group saving British stones or information

finding out about my father. Wei Dong Bi

hivekpr — 2009-06-01 18:09:46Z

hi im trying to find out about my father.

his name before making it english is Wei Dong Bi(Pih)he was born in nantong china in the jiangsu province

it says his last place of residence was nantongchow, jiangsu province .

he got his name changed to a more american name "winton D Bee" he became a notarized official in China Town Boston MA, he Owned the China Pearl the resturant in chinatown, he had two partners in that business as well.. thanks any help is much appreciated, you can contact me at hivekpr@yahoo.com

im trying to find relatives and also relatives that may reside in china.

Re: George Brown Harris/Lavinia Caroline Zinzan

hotpyjama — 2009-04-17 20:30:09Z

Hi Ian
My side of the family is only connected through the Giles line, but my Mother has lots of memories and some pictures of the handsome Harris brothers Zin and John.
I also grew up in a small town next to the one the Brooke brothers grew up in and wondered if the name meant a connection between these families.
I also see your surname is Wright. Probably just another coincidence but it is the same surname as my grandfather, who married Gladys Giles (sister of Doris Harris).
Kind regards
Wendy

Re: George Brown Harris/Lavinia Caroline Zinzan

hotpyjama — 2009-04-17 04:00:23Z

Hi Linda
My grandmother is your husband's great aunt. His grandmother and mine were sisters - Gladys and Doris Giles, born 4 years apart in Caversham, Dunedin. Doris ('Aunty Dot' as we knew her) was married to Parke Zinzan Harris.
I have been researching the Giles family and would love to share info if you are interested.
Wendy Riley-Biddle
Chch, NZ

Re: Thomas Danswan - left Amoy 1852 arrived Australia

malmik — 2009-06-23 09:14:05Z

Have been reading on Ancestry.com.au your messages re Thomas Danswan. He was my great grandfather. His daughter Maria married John Brown(My grandfather) and they lived at Harbord.
Would be interested to know your connection as I have a copy of the family history but only the Australian side.
Regards Michael Brown

Robinson + Lawson - Tientsin China

aspandcat — 2009-05-02 07:00:19Z

I am seeking any information on Reverend John Robinson and his wife Alice (nee Lawson) after 1906. They worked in Tientsin, China.

Does anyone know when they went to China or when/where John Robinson died?

Re: Robinson + Lawson - Tientsin China

aspandcat — 2009-05-03 11:08:10Z

Pamela,

Many thanks for the hint - I will check this out.

Ann

Re: Looking for any information surnames Ah Sam & Tim See Foo

epm1955 — 2009-04-04 10:19:36Z

My great grandfather was Thomas Ah Sam and he married Rose O'donnell. My grandmother was Maud Ellen who was born in 1897. I am hoping to find more information on my heritage.

Re: George Brown Harris/Lavinia Caroline Zinzan

ianwright54_1 — 2009-04-17 11:38:11Z

Hi Wendy,

I am related to the Zinzan family as well. My common ancestors to Chris Harris' family are the Edwards who came from Devon in South West England.

Doris was Doris Gwendoline Eleanor Giles and she married Parke Zinzan Harris 22 Feb 1926 in Dunedin.

Regards,
Ian Wright,
Sydney

Re: George Brown Harris/Lavinia Caroline Zinzan

ianwright54_1 — 2009-04-17 11:31:44Z

Hi Linda, I am also related to this family. My common ancestors with Chris are the Edwards family from Devon in South West England. I have done quite a bit of research and would be happy to share information with you. I suppose that Chris knows that he is also related to Zinzan and Robin Brooke, the NZ All Black Rugby players.

I live in Sydney, but I have umpired some games in the Golden Oldies carnival in Christchurch in about 1994.

Regards,

Ian

Re: George Brown Harris/Lavinia Caroline Zinzan

ianwright54_1 — 2009-04-19 09:55:37Z

Hi Wendy,

Thanks for your message. Yes Robin and Zinzan Brooke are related and are descended from Lavinia Zinzan's brother, Robert Vaux Zinzan and Isabella Margaret Hay Powell Griffith. My Wright people came from Great Yarmouth in Norfolk,England. I don't know of any NZ connections. Regards, Ian

Re: Burial of British Citizens in Shanghai 1914

lin_tully — 2009-04-14 20:55:56Z

Hi Helen! I am not going to be any use whatsoever, except to suggest you look on the National Archives site?? I Have an ancester, a Mary Nunns born in Leek uk in 1838, then found she had married a John Ford (son of William Ford) in The Trinity Church (Church of England) in 1867 Shanghai...so might be worth you having a look?? IF anyone out there could tell me/suggest where I can find any BAPTISM records out there it would be much appreciated as I would like to find out if they had any children as I've come to a full stop AGAIN!!

Good Luck!

Lin

British subjects in china

wspencerc144 — 2009-07-04 18:07:37Z

Hi

I have no idea which board to post this on as there isnt a board for Asia! Sorry if it is the wrong one.

Does anyone know if it is possible to find out about British Subjects in Shanghai in the 1870's? My great grandmother was born in Shanghai in 1873, called Minnie Nelson, her father was called Andrew Nelson and a sailor as far as I know. I do not know her mother's details but there is a possibility her surname was either Thomas or Rogers. I think they may have also lived in the Hankow area as well at some point. I would really like to trace who Minnie Nelson's mother was.

Many thanks

Vicki

Francisco Ham, Maria Long, Carlos Ham

rabbitnz02 — 2009-05-09 18:12:12Z

Hello I am doing research for a friend who is of chinese and Mexican american descent. His grandfather Carlos Ham was born in Canton, China and emigrated to Mexico. He married a mexican woman named Martha Garcia. His parents Francisco Ham and Maria Long were both born in Canton, China and also emigrated to Mexico. If any one could point me in the right direction for research it would be much appreciated. That is all he knows about his grandparents and great grand parents.

Re: Rev. Nelson-Bitton Shanghai 1898

kellyfz1 — 2009-07-31 03:39:57Z

Dear Friend:
It is so nice to get your message and it is my pleasure to give you some information about your great grandfather(Rev Nelson Bitton. I teach in Zhejiang university, China. Presently I am writing a PHD thesis on that. That's why i collect several of Rev Nelson Bitton's book. I think at that time he was working for London Missionary Society and did publish a lot of important works on the spread of christianity in China, especially missionary activities in China , like John Griffith. I have the following works:1)"Our heritage in China "; 2)Griffith John :the Apostle of central China; 3)Regeneration of new China(With an E-copy, i can send you that copy by email.
If you really have interest, can we contact with each other via personal email?
Hope to keep in touch!
with my best wishes!
Fuzheng

Re: Thomas Danswan - left Amoy 1852 arrived Australia

lilibri — 2009-07-23 06:05:45Z

hi Michael ,this is your ist cousin Lilybet Brown the daughter of Lily and Bill Brown uncle Jacks brother this is really wonderful that I have found you again I have lots of news to tell you , I would love to hear all about your family are you great grandparents yet?keep in touch with second cousin Bruce Holland, and Coral Gimbert and Christine Whitton I also keep in touch with Patty Marsh my email is lilibri@bigpond.com I would just love to hear from you .we can ring anywhere in Australia free so if you let me know your phone number I will ring you love Lilybet