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Re: Looking for Rodgers in Rhodisia or South Africa from around 1900 onwards

BrownB38 — 2013-04-14 16:27:19Z

I forgot about Louisa, she is there too:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14686-9152-45?cc=...
rgds, Barry

Re: Looking for Rodgers in Rhodisia or South Africa from around 1900 onwards

BrownB38 — 2013-04-14 11:48:19Z

Fred Henry Rodgers buried Warren Hills cemetery, Salisbury (now Harare)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14702-38325-78?cc...

Re: Looking for Rodgers in Rhodisia or South Africa from around 1900 onwards

BrownB38 — 2013-04-14 10:05:10Z

...and the D.R. for Hugh Ian Ross is there too, D.R. 673/70, will no 22661. I'll leave you to look for that, let me know if you can't find it. It will be in Vol 70, record number 673.
rgds barry

Re: Looking for Rodgers in Rhodisia or South Africa from around 1900 onwards

BrownB38 — 2013-04-14 09:59:25Z

The death report for Ivy Ross, nee Rodgers is here (died Umtali 29 May 1935): https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14683-38694-10?cc...
According to that she was survived by husband Hugh Ian Ross (married in Bulawayo abt 1931), and had a son Hugh Donald Ross born abt 1933.

Re: Looking for Rodgers in Rhodisia or South Africa from around 1900 onwards

BrownB38 — 2013-04-14 09:31:49Z

I think Gervase Rodgers's wife was Amy E. Nichols, married Blackpool 2q1953. (Gervase was heading for Blackpool in 1832 to work as a draftsman, aged 21.)
There is also a passenger list for that family arriving inSouthampton 23 Aug 1920 from Cape Town, giving their abode then as Umtali, Rhodesia (Louise 32, Ivy 12, Fred 10, Gervase 8).
rgds Barry

Re: Looking for Rodgers in Rhodisia or South Africa from around 1900 onwards

BrownB38 — 2013-04-14 07:35:41Z

The death report of Fred Henry Rogers is here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14684-45047-31?cc...
His wife, Lousa, survived him.
There are other clues on that death report that might help you, eg. it was signed by his daughter-in-law, A. Rogers (Gervase is usually a boys name, but can be a girls name, so that A. Rogers could have been the wife of either Fred or Gervase), and although he died in Salisbury the death report was submitted by his daughter-in-law in Bulawayo (presumably that is where she then lived).
I couldn't see death reports for the other's mentioned (either as Rodgers or Rogers), the index page is here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14684-32394-28?cc...
regards, Barry

Looking for Rodgers in Rhodisia or South Africa from around 1900 onwards

prodgersdaymond — 2013-04-13 20:48:20Z

Any info on the desendents of Frederick Rodgers, Fred Henry Rodgers or Gervase Rodgers and their families.

Death Record William H K TAYLOR

mlrose52 — 2013-04-05 15:12:04Z

I live in England.

I am trying to find the Death Notice for William Herbert Kenneth TAYLOR born 1901 Ryde,Isle of Wight,England. He emigrated to S Africa/Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) in 1947.

I have found the following reference using the Family Search web site - 88/188/38.

I believe he died in Zimbabwe between 1950 and 1960 and his widow returned to the UK in Nov 1960.

If the number 88 refers to the Death Register volume number
then the death occured in 1952.

Can someone please explain what 188 and 38 refer to. I think the 38 refers to the page number in volume 88 but what does 188 refer to?

Are there any newspaper archives that may have an obitury I could see and perhaps learn more about him, ie where he was buried.

I really would appreciate some kind person's help with this enquiry.

Thank you

Kind regards

Margaret Rose

Carol Hendry Zimbabwe

jacqui63m — 2013-03-20 23:00:40Z

Can anyone help me find Carol Hendry born Zimbabwe, daughter of David Hendry and Annie McNaught Annie was born in Derry (Ire) c1920 but moved to Zimbabwe with David.
Carol would be in her late 50's now. It is thought she owns a funeral parlour

Thanks
Jacqui

Cathy McDonald Zimbabwe

jacqui63m — 2013-03-20 22:57:58Z

Can anyone help me find Cathy McDonald born Zimbabwe, daughter of John McDonald and Lily (Elizabeth) McNaught. Lily was born in Derry (Ire) c1920 but moved to Zimbabwe with John.
Cathy would be in her late 50's now.

Thanks
Jacqui

Re: Haslehurst

SuziNottingham — 2013-03-11 14:42:48Z

Can't really help you I'm afraid - Harold Maitland Haslehurst born Essex 1889. Gave the name Maitland to both his sons. His father Edmund Haslehurst does not appear to have the Maitland in his name - wondering if perhaps it was his wife Florence's maiden name? There is a Florence Maitland of right age born in London. Harold had brothers and sisters Winifred, Edmond, Rebecca and Wilfred and possibly more - have not looked to far into it. Do let me know if you come up with any connection. Suzi

Re: Haslehurst

mikehearsey — 2013-03-10 09:12:57Z

I was interested to read your post, not because I can offer any information but curiosity as with inclusion of Maitland as a Christian name. My cousin also has the name Maitland in
his name from his mother's family. He is John Maitland Edwards and his mother was Phyllis Maitland. Do you know
how Maitland was introduced ?

Haslehurst

SuziNottingham — 2013-03-09 15:16:44Z

Looking for any information on Dennis Maitland Haslehurst born India 1921 and Brian Anthony Maitland Haslehurst born UK 1922. Father Harold Haslehurst died Zimbabwe 1949 mother Lilian Elizabeth Coleman.

Re: PARKER/RAIL

pep481 — 2013-03-04 07:28:15Z

Have some more information
Looking for Margaret Audrey Murrell nee rail b. 1917
or any of her descendants. First one daughter then twin girls.
Roger Whitburn Rail (deceased 1970) wife Elizabeth Yvonne. children Susan ( born in England) and Thomas.I would be pleased with any help.

Marjorie Comet Gordon (nee Norris)

justanotherdungbeetle — 2013-02-24 04:58:42Z

Hello to all,
I am hoping to trace some family of ours - In particular any family related to Marjorie Comet Gordon (nee Norris).
She was born on Devonshire Farm in the then Umtali in about 1910. Parents were John and Elizabeth Norris.
I would appreciate any leads and take this time to thank you in advance.
regards
denise taylor (nee Norris)

Marjorie Comet Gordon (nee Norris)

justanotherdungbeetle — 2013-02-24 04:57:24Z

Re: Henry John Payne

ilzenel98 — 2013-01-31 16:00:30Z

worth a long shot....but I heard that the Zimbabwe archives do actually reply. It just takes them about a year.:)

Re: Henry John Payne

BrownB38 — 2013-01-31 07:36:40Z

I was thinking he must have got his surname from somewhere; perhaps from his biological parents, perhaps from adopted. In either case you might find the parent's death notices which could well & should have notation regarding him. It's a long shot, but I think worth following-up if you don't get any sense out of Zimbabwe (and that's highly likely, I fear!)
regards, Barry

Re: Henry John Payne

ilzenel98 — 2013-01-30 14:04:11Z

Yes, Familysearch is very useful BUT! It only has the death records for Zimbabwe and that doesn't help much as he was illegitimate. If they were birth records, that would help a lot!

Re: Henry John Payne

BrownB38 — 2013-01-30 12:32:11Z

One thought, there are a load of death notices of Payne's in the Rhodesia/Zimbabwe death registers 1892-1977. The specific index page with for Payne is here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-14684-35798-16?cc... .
Usually next of kin is noted; it's a fair amount of work to find each of those, but with a bit of luck you might find your relative mentioned. Too find a specific record you need to note it's idex number ie, D.R 1000/18 would be in the records for 1918, record #1000. Go back to the root directory, and open the folder 'Death Registers', look for the year and open that file, see how many pages are in that file and what the number of the first record is (top RH corner), then guestimate where you need to jump to to find the number you want to find, bracket back and forth until you locate it.

Re: Henry John Payne

BrownB38 — 2013-01-30 12:13:13Z

Found it, Cape Town (from your message on the South African board). Hmm, not much to go on!

Re: Henry John Payne

BrownB38 — 2013-01-30 12:06:46Z

Where is that grave stone?

Re: Henry John Payne

ilzenel98 — 2013-01-30 11:47:56Z

Hi Barry

I have absolutely no idea. My next mission is to write to the Archive in Zimbabwe. As I said, he was a illegitimate child so we know nothing. No, he was not in the war as he was too old. He was born in 1892 according to his tombstone.His son, my grandfather, William John was in WW2 though.

Ilze

Re: Henry John Payne

BrownB38 — 2013-01-30 10:32:46Z

Was he born in Rhodesia? Do you have any idea whereabouts in Rhodesia it was, where he grew up? Was he anything to do with Edward Payne, the Bulawayo photographer, or perhaps related to the Payne of 'Puzey & Payne'? Was he involved in WW1? Where did he die; does the death notice give any clues?
regards, Barry

Henry John Payne

ilzenel98 — 2013-01-29 14:41:06Z

I am looking for any information on my Great-grandfather, Henry John Payne. He always used to say he grew up as a illegitimate child on the streets of Rhodesia. His gravestone says he was born on the 31/01/1892. Any help would be great! Thank you!

Thompson/Clark

dogrugby — 2013-01-28 13:46:29Z

My Uncle Reginald Arthur Oswald Thompson Married to Joan Mary Elizabeth Clark in Oxhey June 1954. Reginald Died, Watford 2002 aged 76. My Mother Linda Ethel was one of his Sisters.So far have not found any Children of Reginald or Joan.Thompson Drewett trees for further info. John.

Re: Eastwood Rhodesian Pioneers +- 1905

juliahigham — 2013-01-25 14:30:23Z

Hi

Just to let you know that George left his family in Kimberley(?) and came to Britain where he met my grandmother. My father John had 2 sisters and a brother. We know nothing of our "african" family at all. Would be delighted to hear more.
my email is juliahigham1@hotmail.co.uk
Regards
Julia

PARKER/RAIL

pep481 — 2013-01-25 06:56:43Z

Found amongst family papers a letter from my Great Aunt Mary Audrey Rail nee Parker from Grove Road Greendale Salisbury Rhodesia dated Aug 31 1969. I would love some information about Mary Audrey and Dr William Rails descendents as I am having real trouble about our shared Great Grandmother Emily Eliza Parker

Re: Eastwood Rhodesian Pioneers +- 1905

poteintrigue — 2013-01-24 10:55:01Z

Hi there,

Yes, we are related! I did try to send you a private reply but my sub is up and unfortunately Ancestry will not allow me to reply directly to you. Marmaduke is a dominate name in our family tree steaming from the line of our great-grandmothers father.

I have George in my tree and John - I think.

Would love to hear from you.

Re: Eastwood Rhodesian Pioneers +- 1905

juliahigham — 2013-01-24 09:49:51Z

Hi

just found this by accident, my father was called John Eastwood. His father was George Marmaduke Eastwood. Think this might help with your research.

Re: Thompson in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) 1949

essexclark — 2013-01-24 01:16:56Z

Deffinately a different branch. My Thompsons originated from Ireland then went to Devon and branched out from there.

Re: Thompson in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) 1949

dogrugby — 2013-01-23 18:45:51Z

Thanks for the reply.Recon our trees are separate. The Father of Reginald was William Henry Charles B.1882. Wife Kate Webb B.1883.Father was Harry William B.1858. Wife Bertha Smith B.1858.Reginald was single when leaving for Rhodesia in 1949,he died in Waford Herts;in 2002.Waiting for Marriage Certificate To a Joan Clark in Watford 1955.I don't know if Reg had relatives in Rhodesia the only info on his passenger was tht he was a Miner.The furthest i go back is 1838 William Thompson Wife Louisa. Children Harry William 1858.Henry 1860.Nelly 1862.Charles 1864. Arthur 1866. Ann 1868.All taken from the Censusof 1861 & 71. All families from 1838 are from the London Area.John.

Re: Thompson in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) 1949

essexclark — 2013-01-23 10:41:36Z

I would like to know a bit more about your Thompsons from Rhodesia. Were they any relation to Charles Kenneth Thompson b, 16 Oct 1903 in Selby, Yorkshire and died 1983 Bulawayo, Southern Rhodesia. He married Doris Hamm abt 1919 in Cape Town. S.A.. She was born about 1905 in St Mary Babbacombe, Torquay, Devon. and believed to have died in Southern Rhodesia.

Thompson in Rhodesia (Zimbabwe) 1949

dogrugby — 2013-01-22 13:01:10Z

My Uncle Reginald Arthur Oswald Thompson born in Holloway London 14 March 1926 died in Watford Hertfordshire 2002. Also Kathleen Isabel Heather nee Thompson Born in Fulham 25 Dec, 1911 twin of my Mother Kathleen Ethel Drewett. Believed Kathleen had 2nd Marriage. Any information appreciated.

Re: Edwards family

halpark — 2013-01-13 12:03:10Z

Read carefully. I did not say Felicity joined a convent (although it is possible she did after I left Hartley in 1969, perhaps Geoff Baynham died!). I said I seemed to remember she had a relative who was one of the Dominican Sisters at Martindale. In the 60s I think she was working in one of the local shops or businesses to earn a living while Hubby propped up bars.

Re: Edwards family

halpark — 2013-01-13 12:02:48Z

Re: Edwards family

laurenshelley3 — 2013-01-13 10:57:20Z

Thank you so much! I'm so pleased to hear anything at all about the family! The members of this branch of the Edwards family still alive don't know a great deal more than I do, so it's lovely to hear anything! I had heard that Felicity joined a Convent, but had no details about it. I seem to remember someone saying that Felicity & another sibling tried to convert my grandfather, Noel, but there was some incident following their visit and they apparently never saw each other again. My mother says that one of Felicity's sons was Trevor and that I did meet him, must've been when I was very young as I don't remember him. I'll have a look at the websites you mentioned. Thank you again!

Re: Edwards family

halpark — 2013-01-12 19:35:27Z

If you google eGSSA.org you will find they have a "Cemeteries' Project" and you can find a picture of the graves of Cecil Reynolds Edwards d. 1938, Josephine Lucy Edwards 1896-1976, Stephanzina Francina Edwards, d. 1967 and Tommy Edwards, d. 1968, in the Gatooma (Kadoma) cemetery. Also google bsap.org. They have a Regimental association which has the history of the whole caboodle. The most important "industry" in Gatooma was the David Whitehead Spinning Mill, the weaving mill was in Hartley (Chegutu). It had been a mining area, mostly small-working, but apart from a few large mines (Giant Mine, Gadzema) mining had almost died out by the 1950s.

Re: LOOKING FOR MY GRANDMOTHER IN ZIMBABWE

halpark — 2013-01-12 14:16:03Z

Just three Carvers in Zimbabwe telephone directory - might be worth a couple of polite letters.

Re: Edwards family

halpark — 2013-01-12 14:07:49Z

Felicity Baynham, usually called "Phil" or "Fel" was a charming woman married to Geoff Baynham - I believe ex RAF, commonly regarded as a a total B., called himself an insurance agent but spent most of his time in the Hartley (Chegutu) Hotel or Continental Restaurant Bar claiming he was drumming up business contacts. I seem to remember that "Fel" had a relative who was a Sister at Martindale School, a school run at that time by Dominican Sisters for mixed race children at Selous on the main road to Salisbury (Harare). Still exists I think. I clearly remember one of the Sisters remarking that she knew "Felicity had had a very hard life", but no longer remember the context. I also think that Felicity had two sons - but this is vague, they may have been at boarding school, Hartley had no senior school. I would think that both Felicity and her husband are dead by now - very old if not and, if there were two sons, there are no entries for Baynham in the Zimbabwe telephone directory, nor do there appear to be any Baynhams in South Africa. Hope this helps a bit.

Re: Edwards family

laurenshelley3 — 2013-01-10 07:10:15Z

Thank you! :D That's fantastic! I never knew there were so many military men in the family!

Re: Edwards family

BrownB38 — 2013-01-09 20:29:11Z

I guess he was a school in Umtali then.
I had a look at That DR 73/101/20; it's a list of Active Service Estates, in Volume 73 (covering years 1941-1946), page 101, entry no. 20 (that page 101 is image 135, so if you find that volume you can jump straight to it). There is no other information there, but it's assumed is that he was presumed dead.
That RAF 112 site URL shows he was creditied with shooting down at least that one Bf109 (later called Messerschmit).
I found this on another page of that site:
Name: EDWARDS, FELIX FRANCIS JOSEPH
Initials: F F J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Pilot Officer (Pilot)
Regiment: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 112 Sqdn.
Date of Death: 13/06/1942
Service No: 80140
Additional information: Of Southern Rhodesia.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 3. H. 5.
Cemetery: KNIGHTSBRIDGE WAR CEMETERY, ACROMA

Re: Edwards family

laurenshelley3 — 2013-01-09 19:09:01Z

It might be. I found a record of Felix leaving to go to UK where I assume he joined the RAF. Find My Past also had a record of his death and I am told by relatives that he did die in WW2.

Re: Edwards family

BrownB38 — 2013-01-09 17:17:29Z

Must be the same Felix Francis Joseph Edwards, see here: http://raf-112-squadron.org/raf_112_squadron_claims.html

Re: Edwards family

BrownB38 — 2013-01-09 17:03:36Z

I wonder if this is your Felix Francis Josepha Edwards? (same initials)

Pilot Officer EDWARDS, F. F. J.: 112 Squadron, R.AF. Missing near El Adam, Libya, 13th June, 1942. 1938-39.

Extracted from A HISTORY OF UMTALI GIRLS' AND BOYS' HIGH SCHOOLS 1896 – 1968, Chap. 12 Roll of Honour

Re: Edwards family

laurenshelley3 — 2013-01-09 16:29:13Z

Thank you so much for all your help!
It's a wonderful help and now I have a starting point! :)
I'm not sure of Edith Baynham is related, but I do recall hearing the name mentioned by relatives some time ago. I'll ask around and see if anyone recognises the name.
Thank you all again!

Re: Edwards family

BrownB38 — 2013-01-09 08:39:45Z

There are indices for the following:
Felix Francis Joseph Edwards DR 73/101/20
Noel John Edwards DR 904/68
No sign of the other names. I looked for 'Baynham' and found only Edith Jane Chevallier Baynham DR 972/55; might she be related?

Re: Edwards family

BrownB38 — 2013-01-09 08:23:19Z

Death Notice for Josephine Lucy Edwards DR 41/71, born Mafeking, South Africa, parents deceased; age at death 74 years, widow; name of husband Francis Charles Edwards (died 11 Jun 1958); Place of marriage Bulawayo approx Jan 1919 (one marriage); Date of death 21 Dec 1970 in hospital at Gatooma; usual place of residence 10 Margaret Avenue, Hartley; children: Felix Francis Joseph (maj)-deceased; Felicite Marie Isobel Baynham (Mrs); Noel John (maj.)-deceased; Christopher Hugh; Edward Arthur; dated Hartley 4 Jan 1871, informant C.H Edwards (son).

Re: Edwards family

BrownB38 — 2013-01-09 08:08:20Z

The Death Report for Francis Charles Edwards is DR 619/58.
Born Kockstad, father John Edwards, mother Isabel Emily Edwards. Died 11 Jun 1958 in the ambulance travelling between gatooma & Hartley, aged 69 yrs 6 mnths, spouse's name Josephene Lucy Edwards, married Bulawayo 8/1/1920, usual place of residence Umsweswe hotel. Children: Felix Francis Joseph Edwards (M);Felicity Marie Isobel Edwards (M); Noel John Edwards (M); Christopher Hugh Edwards (M; Edward Arthur Edwards (M). Death report dated Gatooma 17 Jun 1958.

I think there is a similar death report for Josephice Lucy Edwards; I'll look for that.

Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) death reports can be found here: https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Zimbabwe_Civil_Regist...

Re: Edwards family

mikehearsey — 2013-01-09 07:55:04Z

This may be of help
From the contents of your email below I confirm the following.

According to the Nominal Roll, EDWARDS, Francis Charles - joined the British South Africa Police (BSAP) in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) on 20.02.1909 (likely as a Trooper) with Regimental Number 1044 and served until 30.04.1939. Unfortunately the Nominal Roll does not record his rank upon discharge, but having served 30 years, he would most likely have retired as a Commissioned Officer. With 50 being the mandatory retirement age, he must have joined at about aged 20 and thus born c 1889. Kokstad is a small town in Natal, South Africa, close to the boundary with the Eastern Cape. This would suggest that his parents might have moved to South Africa (from the UK?) prior to or around 1889 – perhaps connected in some way to the local sugar industry. It was also not unusual for ex-BSAP officers to take up a second career, either in the Rhodesian civil service, in business, or even farming or mining. With WW II breaking out later that year, his 30 years’ service in the BSAP (a highly trained Para-military force) would certainly have equipped him well for some useful non-combat role.

An abridged version of his Record of Service would be with the National Archives of Zimbabwe (www.archives.gov.zw). It would contain details of his postings and promotions and may even provide his last residential address upon being discharged. Unfortunately, there is no electronic access to such files, or for that matter, any other records, which might assist in piecing together details of his family and their descendants. Records of marriages, births and deaths from 1909 onwards must exist in Zimbabwe but impossible to access without either a physical visit or direct written communication with the appropriate government department. With sons and grandsons sometimes following their forebears into the BSAP, I also checked the Nominal Roll for Noel John EDWARDS and Felix EDWARDS, but neither is listed. However, a Felix EDWARDS is listed on Linkedin.com with extensive connections in Southern Africa.

Gatooma (now called Kadoma) is (was) a thriving mining centre located in central Zimbabwe on the main road between Harare and Bulawayo.

I think that’s the best I can do under the circumstances.