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Re: George Skinner, music teacher, Cape Town

verneukpan — 2013-06-19 13:56:08Z

Hi Anne

Search the National Archives website http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300ds?201...
you should find him there - or do you know where he taught music?
regards
Trixie

Re: St. John's the Evangelist Marriages Cape Town 1853 - 1925

verneukpan — 2013-06-19 13:52:05Z

They will soon be announcing and re-directing users to the new site

Re: Benjamin Pierpoint

verneukpan — 2013-06-19 13:50:52Z

Hi Mark
There was Benjamin who was born in 1925 and died in 1994 - its possibly his son.
His estate papers are in the Master of the High Court South Africa
regards
Trixie

Re: THEUNISSEN FAMILY

mienke_theunissen — 2013-06-17 17:06:21Z

Hi,
I am part of a Theunissen family.

Benjamin Pierpoint

webthotics — 2013-06-17 10:29:21Z

HI,
If anyone has information with regards to Benjamin i would be interested to hear from you.Born in 1897 Golborne, Lancs UK
Mother Margaret Fearick, nee Peirpoint nee Harrington, born Dec 1870 Golborne, Lancs.
Ben emigrated 11 March 1921 and returned to visit 2 May 1958 till 17 July 1958.
He married Rita ? and is rumored to have had 12 children, she visited the UK 4 Nov 1960 with her youngest son Laddie and returned 1 Dec 1960, it is rumored on the death of Benjamin?
If anyone can assist please contact me
Regards,
Mark Webb

Re: SITHOLE surname

Makaitei — 2013-06-17 09:10:08Z

Thank you. I will comment when I get a translation for this.

Re: SITHOLE surname

Makaitei — 2013-06-17 09:08:11Z

there are so many sitholes around southern Africa, I have met many in my travels and been called sister by strangers in many countries. This is a reality. The question we are trying to establish is why we share this name - do we share a common ancestry too? The differences in praise songs are to be expected as time and place influences how such traditions evolve. so what praise song do you know? Perhaps we could compile these and see.

Re: SITHOLE surname

Makaitei — 2013-06-17 09:03:54Z

thank you

Re: SITHOLE surname

Makaitei — 2013-06-17 09:03:04Z

we are still trying to determine who we are ... All we know for sure is that we are Nguni. Depending on where you are or where your people are from then you could be any of the groups you listed. My people are said to have come into Zimbabwe with Soshangana but settled among the ndau people in the eastern part of Zimbabwe and then sithole as a totem was also known as Chirandu.

Re: SITHOLE surname

Makaitei — 2013-06-17 09:00:01Z

any chance this response could be in English please. Havent found anyone to translate for me yet

Re: SITHOLE surname

Makaitei — 2013-06-17 08:58:34Z

Thank you. My father's people came from the mountain ranges on the border with Mozambique - Chimanimani, so perhaps that is right.

Re: SITHOLE surname

Makaitei — 2013-06-17 08:54:29Z

Dear Jabu, Thank you very much for that explanation. where can I get more information about Magogo and Gampu, this is the first time to hear about them. There is nothing I can find in any archival sources in Zimbabwe about this at all. Where can I find praise poetry for the Sitholes?

Now more than ever I am convinced that we must write our history, we have the technology and there are a few elders left, I think we can do it.

Re: Land titles office Cape Town, searching without erf numbers?!

spokesandpages — 2013-06-17 00:27:53Z

Many thanks for this, I am assuming that the info is not all indexed or that I may be looking in the wrong place? I can't find any references to land under my relatives in the KAB archives except for one item...is there another way to check the list of old land titles in the archives online perhaps through another keyword? Many thanks

St. John's the Evangelist Marriages Cape Town 1853 - 1925

harbourlady99 — 2013-06-16 18:40:29Z

Is there anywhere now that you can view marriages at the above church as they now are no longer on Ancestry24?

Re: Doble

JohnWynne62 — 2013-06-16 18:14:34Z

Hi Jan,
I have Edna Grace DOBIE (born 7 March 1912) in my family tree.
She was the daughter of John Boreland DOBIE and Maude Amanda MILLER.
She married my father's cousin, Robert Wynne WHEATLEY, in Rustenberg, South Africa, in 1935.
They had two daughters, who are grandmothers now.
Edna Grace (DOBIE) WHEATLEY died on 5 September 1974, and is buried with Bob in Muizenberg Cemetery.
What's your connection with the DOBIE family?
Best wishes,
John

PS: I think Muriel died single in 1928.

DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 67730
PART 1
DESCRIPTION: DOBIE, MURIEL AMANDA.
STARTING 19280000
ENDING 19280000

Re: Doble

janra1 — 2013-06-16 16:27:57Z

Hi Have just spotted this message and wonder if you could confirm we are looking for the same John Boreland Dobie, his father was Robert and his mother was Charlotte Phillis Pyle he had 2 daughters Edna Grace and Murial Amanda would be grateful for any info you have.
Thanks
Jan

George Skinner, music teacher, Cape Town

annecooper194 — 2013-06-16 16:19:45Z

I am looking for any information on George Skinner, a music teacher in the Cape Town area. He married Albertina Smith aka Britcliffe, a widow, in Cape Town, some time between the death of her previous husband in 1907 and her death in 1917. He may have died during WW1 in France, though I haven't found any record of this to date.
Many thanks,
Anne

Re: Land titles office Cape Town, searching without erf numbers?!

verneukpan — 2013-06-16 14:11:11Z

Those years are kept at the Cape Town archives and the index can be searched at www.national.archives.gov.za
regards
Trixie

Re: Land titles office Cape Town, searching without erf numbers?!

spokesandpages — 2013-06-15 03:18:40Z

Many thanks for this...I am looking for deeds in early to mid 1800s and some in later 1800s.
Best wishes, Melissa

Re: Searching for ALLERTON/KRAFT/HOWELLS Family in Durban/Ladysmith/Charlestown area

kathypitt74 — 2013-06-14 22:16:05Z

Hi John, I have these documents already, but thank you :) I have already had someone photocopy any documents about 5 years ago. I am now just trying to find any more descendants that might be around.
Cheers
Kathjy

Re: Murray Family

JohnWynne62 — 2013-06-14 21:17:58Z

Name: MURRAY, Hannah Elizabeth
Year: 1929
Volume: 6/9/3613
Source Location: Cape Town Archives Repository
Reference: 24272
Source: Master's Office / Orphan Chamber, Cape Town (MOOC)
Collection Name: Cape Estates Death Notice Index 1834 - 1951

Re: Searching for ALLERTON/KRAFT/HOWELLS Family in Durban/Ladysmith/Charlestown area

JohnWynne62 — 2013-06-14 14:37:22Z

The SA National Archive web site shows that there a number of files in the archive possibly related to them.
You can send for these files, or get someone to copy them for you. For example:

DEPOT NAB
SOURCE IRD
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 47
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE IRD 5/1906
PART 1
DESCRIPTION: EDWARD ALLERTON, CHARLESTOWN: ASKS THAT HIS BROTHER, THOMAS EDWIN ALLERTON, STEWARD ON THE SS "HESPERIDES" BE ALLOWED TO BE PAID OFF AT THIS PORT. STARTING 1906
ENDING 1906

http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za/sm300cv/smws/sm300ds?201...

Searching for ALLERTON/KRAFT/HOWELLS Family in Durban/Ladysmith/Charlestown area

kathypitt74 — 2013-06-14 01:07:15Z

I am looking for information on the following family. Edward Allerton came to South Africa about 1901, he brought his wife Emily Amelia Seers and son Edward Henry Augustus over in 1902. They had a daughter Dorothea Emma Jane Allerton in 1902. Edward passed away in 1907, and his wife Emily and 2 children moved to Australia.

Edward was born in 1879 in Wandsworth England to Augustus Allerton and Emma Jane Higman.

Edward brought his siblings over to South Africa (found on shipping records) - Lorenzo Allerton, Thomas Edwin Allerton and Emma Martha Allerton.

Thomas Edwin Allerton (b18/1/1884 England D25/10/1969 Roodepoort) married Theresia Maria Schwarzendahl in Johannesberg 14/02/1914. They had 3 children Theresa Maria (married a George Cornelius Kraft) and Augustus Allerton and Thomas Edwin Allerton (who had died at the time of his mothers death in 1969)

Thomas Edwin Allerton was in the armed forces when he was 38 years of age, joining in 1922, living in Protoria.
Emma Martha married William Matthias Howells 1 Nov 1906 in Newcastle Natal. On his records it states his children as being Edwin Valentine 14/02/14, Augustus Helder 27/8/16 and Therese Maria 3/8/18.

It looks like in 1944 he was released from full time due to arthritis in the knees from his military services and was living in Caledon Street, Standerton. In 1945 he was living in Roodepoort and received a war medal.

Lorenzo Married Amy Williams and together they had one child Dorothy Allerton. He died in 1935 in South Africa. From the reading of the will he was still married to Amy Allerton, born Williams, formerly Roberts and was temporarily residing in South Africa. He was in South Africa on business purposes. His wife Amy, their child of marriage and a child from her former marriage were living in England. He strongly stated in his will that he wanted these two children to stay in a boarding school and his wife to have no control over them. This will was written in 1928.

Does anyone have any information on any of these family lines at all??

Re: Murray Family

verneukpan — 2013-06-13 12:13:54Z

Hi Jon
The deceased estate papers for James are in the Cape Town Archives
DEPOT KAB
SOURCE MOOC
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 6/9/4306
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 38506
PART 1
DESCRIPTION MURRAY, JAMES ALEXANDER FOSSEY. ESTATE PAPERS.
STARTING 19330000
ENDING 19330000

You can email Henry April on Henry April Henry.April@westerncape.gov.za and order copies of the estate papers for 80c per page.
These documents will tell you when and where He was born and who his parents were as well as details of his wife and children
regards
Trixie

Re: Lucy and Alice Mann

verneukpan — 2013-06-13 12:06:20Z

Hi there
You can search the National Archives at www.national.archives.gov.za for deceased estate papers or www.ancestry24.co.za
regards
Trixie

Re: Land titles office Cape Town, searching without erf numbers?!

verneukpan — 2013-06-13 12:04:16Z

Hi Melissa
It depends on which era you are talking about 1800's or 1900's plus?
Try Windeed.com - you need to register and it costs or you can pay a private investigator about R250.00 if you have someones ID number - it will tell you a lot.
regards
Trixie

Re: faure pretoria

JohnWynne62 — 2013-06-12 16:35:02Z

It looks like he died in 1924, and she died in 1967

DEPOT TAB
SOURCE MHG
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 54257
PART 1
DESCRIPTION: FAURE, LAURENCE JOHANNES DE VILLIERS. STARTING 19240000
ENDING 19240000
REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE CATHARINE FAURE (BORN WITHINGTON).

Name: Faure, Catharine
Date Of Death: 13 April 1967
Customary Law: No
Inventory Value: 0
Surname Of Spouse: Faure
Surname Of Pre Deceased Spouse: De Villiers
Estate Number: 2057/1967
Will: Yes
Collection: National Deceased Estates Index
Source: Master Of The High Court Cape Town
Collection Name: Cape Town Deceased Estates Index

He fought in the Boer War:

Name: FAURE, Laurence Johannes DeVilliers Printer Rank: Corporal
Soldier number: 434
Unit: E Squadron Rhodesian Regiment
Notes: The Queen's South Africa (QSA) Medal Clasps: Relief of Mafeking, Transvaal, Rhodesia
Casualty details: Wounded Slightly on 2 May 1901 at Nr Cradock (Official casualty roll location: Nr Cradock)
Unit: 1 Brabant's Horse

The 1908 Who's Who says they married in 1906, but not where.

Name: Faure, Laurence Johannes de Villiers
Date Of Birth: 1871
Place Of Birth: Cape Town, Cape Colony
Occupation: Chief Clerk, Prime Minister's Office
Father Name: Faure, Abraham
Date Of Marriage: 1906
Surname Of Father Spouse 1: Withington
First Name Of Father Spouse 1: G.H.
Information Of Father Spouse 1: Dr., of Yorkshire
Collection: 1908 Who's Who
Source: South African Who's Who 1908
Collection Name: 1908 Who's Who

I think she went out to SA on 5th July 1906, before she got married.
http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2997/40610_B000498-00219/4...

I think they may have had 2 boys and a girl, and she came back in the UK in 1920.

Name: Catherine FAURE
Date of departure:6 November 1920
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Cape, South Africa
Date of Birth: 1882 (calculated from age)
Age:38
Marital status:
Sex: female
Occupation: Housework
Catherine Alice FAURE (5)
Kilary Herbert FAURE (13)
Laurence Withington FAURE (9)
Ship: BENALLA
Steamship Line: P&O

Also 1928 http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1518/30807_A000881-00321/3...

Also 1946 http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1518/30807_A001222-00035/3...

One son died in 1963

Name: FAURE, LAURENCE WITHINGTON
Date Of Death: 19630000
Passport Number: 255090
Source Location: National Archives, Pretoria (TAB)
Reference: 4034/63
Source: Master of the Supreme Court, Pretoria (MHG)
Collection Name: Transvaal Deceased Estates Index 1855-1976

There are at least two Ancestry family trees featuring them:
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/12217342/person/-311404966
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/14232624/person/20344509379

Re: faure pretoria

JohnWynne62 — 2013-06-12 12:27:53Z

It looks like Catherine Alice got married and divorced.

DEPOT TAB
SOURCE WLD
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 0
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 924/1946
PART 1
DESCRIPTION: ILLIQUID CASE DIVORCE ROLAND DAVID HORAN-ANDERSON VERSUS CATHARINE ALICE (BORN FAURE).
STARTING 19460000
ENDING 19460000

Re: faure pretoria

patrutter_1 — 2013-06-12 09:43:56Z

Hi John,

Absolutely amazing - thank you so much. I never expected to get this far, I was aware of the Faure history by Pierre Faure on the internet, but brilliant!

Best wishes

Pat

Du Plessis - Christina Magdalena (1890 - 18 Jan 1952)

barendclarke — 2013-06-12 09:30:30Z

Hi there,

I am looking for any information regarding a relative

Christina Magdalena Du Plessis (1890 - 18 Jan 1952)
who married Leonard West Stewart(Feb 1890 - 27 Apr 1932)
I believe she was born in South Africa and joined her fiancee in the Belgian Congo around (1908-1913) where I believe they got married and then returned to Beaufort West, South Africa.

Any information or links would be greatly appreciated as I am trying to track down who her parents were.

Thanks and Regards

Barend Clarke

Re: Wayland - the Griquland-West family

Jessica_Volschenk — 2013-06-12 09:01:41Z

Hi

Edwin Thomas and Jessie Pike Wayland are my great great grandparents and they had 14 children. We are currently busy trying find out Jessie Pike Wayland year she was born and when she passed.

I am also aware that (King) is also decedants of ours and that's why i think i might be able to assist in acknowledging the people on your photo. My mother her maiden surname is Patterson and Granny Jessie and Grampa Ediwn were my mother's great grandparents, we actually have a family photo album of the family with a few Waylands in.

It would be great if we can make contact and maybe figure out most of these unanswered question

Hope to hear from you soon

Re: faure pretoria

patrutter_1 — 2013-06-11 14:38:33Z

Hi Malcolm,

Thank you for your help - I would have thought it rather unusual to have the banns read in Ampleforth, then married in South Africa (I couldn't find a UK marriage either). But now I have an idea of the time frame, I wonder if a local newspaper would have details. I will pursue this, but, would be grateful for anything RFHS could add.

Best wishes

Pat

Re: faure pretoria

malcolmscarborough — 2013-06-10 16:17:21Z

Hi Pat, I am transcribing the records on behalf of the Ryedale Family History Society as Ampleforth falls in this area. On reading the record of Banns I was not sure if I had recorded the surname Faure correctly as the original record left a lot to be desired . To check I went through all the Ampleforth marriage records after the Banns were first read and then after all three readings of the Banns . Unfortunately I have not come across a recorded marriage for Catherine Withington to Laurence Johannes de Villier Faure. A check of the BMD index and also on Findmypast for the relevant period again finds no record. I can only presume that they did not marry in Ampleforth but elsewhere and more likely out of the country possibly in South Africa.

Sorry I cannot help any further however I will see if any members of the RFHS can assist at all as they are the experts in these matters.

Regards

Malcolm

Re: faure pretoria

patrutter_1 — 2013-06-10 09:05:34Z

Hi Malcolm,

Thank you so much! If you are transcribing the marriage banns, presumably they were married late June 1906 in Ampleforth?

This has long intrigued me - how did the Doctor of Ampleforth's daughter meet and marry the first clerk to the President of South Africa?

Best wishes
Pat

Henry Alfred Solomon 1873-abt 1963

harbourlady99 — 2013-06-09 19:57:09Z

I am trying to gather information regarding my ancestors. Henry Alfred Solomon, born to Henry Solomon and Mary Philip, in Cape Town, He was married to Isabella Marion possibly Hepburn or McGibbon. They were married in Cape Town on Jan 22 1898. They produced a daughter Doreen Isabel in 1899. Any help would be gratefully received

Re: faure pretoria

malcolmscarborough — 2013-06-09 19:17:39Z

Hi, Not sure if you are still wanting information on this gentleman however I have been transcribing records of marriage Banns for the village of Ampleforth and have come across the Banns for the marriage of Catherine Withington to Laurence Johannes de Villiers Faure who is shown as being from Sea Point, Cape Colony. The Banns were shown in the three Sundays starting on the 10 June 1906. Not sure if this is any help but if I can help any further please do not hesitate to ask.

Regards
Malcolm

Re: Peter John McWilliams, now in Port Elizabeth, South Africa

LynetteMcWilliams1944 — 2013-06-07 11:23:47Z

Hi Carol have you received my e-mails?
Regards,
Lynette McWilliams

Re: SITHOLE surname

sethumaphitha — 2013-06-06 14:45:10Z

HI

I am a Sithole from Msinga ePomeroy. My grandfather told me that The sithole surname originated from Mvelase surname.
U Mvelase owayeyi Nkosi waye namakhosikazi amaningi, wonke enezingane. Kwabesekuthi lapho sesizikhulile izingane umfana wakwa makoti omunye wabe esekhulelisa udadewabo ozalwa umama omunye. Babe sebe hlawula ngesithole; Baxoshwa ke ngoba base benze amanyala. Bahamba bahlala egubazi, yingakho kuthiwa abathembu base gubazi.

Re: Jane S. Wight (nee Tompkins)

vickie997 — 2013-06-06 13:47:24Z

go to Greenbank hawaii.com

Re: Charles S. Pearson

cswood155 — 2013-06-05 20:42:46Z

Please contact me about exchanging information

Re: Jane S. Wight (nee Tompkins)

vguyett72 — 2013-06-05 19:25:38Z

My Great great grandmother was Jane Tomkins who married James wight. We have a large family out there still, My cousin Danny may be able to help you out with that question you have regarding her parents. Let me know if you found anything out.

Re: J. Buckley of Natal Light Horse Regiment, WWI

B5wslindsay — 2013-06-05 19:06:34Z

Hi Did you manage to find out any information?

I am not sure but he may have had a son William (Bunty) who was in the Kings African Rifles in Nairobi and a daughter Kit or Katherine?

General Buckley was married to Ruby but I don't have her surname ( it may be as you say Nel?)

Perhaps you could let me know

Best wishes

Bill Lindsay

Re: Fisher Family in Johannesburg

JohnWynne62 — 2013-06-05 18:46:47Z

Is this her?

Name: Mrs E D FISHER

Date of departure:26 August 1938

Port of departure: Southampton

Passenger destination port: Cape, South Africa

Passenger destination: Cape, South Africa

Date of Birth:1886 (calculated from age)

Age:52

Marital status:

Sex:Female

Occupation:

Passenger recorded on:Page 8 of 15

The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Miss E D FISHER | Page 8 of 15

Mrs Y FISHER | Page 4 of 15

Ship: DUNNOTTAR CASTLE

Official Number: 164637

Master's name: Captain Goodacre

Steamship Line: Union-Castle Line

Where bound: South Africa

Miss Elizabeth Donaldson Fisher arrived in the UK on the same ship on 13 June 1938

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?MS_AdvCB=1&...

Re: Fisher Family in Johannesburg

JohnWynne62 — 2013-06-05 12:52:16Z

He may have been in the Mine Division of the Rand Rifles during the Boer war (1899-1902). His regiment number was 30029.

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/1686/31794_221502-00763/10...

You may be able to get more information on him from his military record, if it still exisits.

Audrey Portman of Rhino Research in South Africa has helped me with SA military genealogy research in the past. Her address is on this page.

http://www.southafricawargraves.org/research.htm

Re: Searching for Powers Relatives

MARPAT53 — 2013-06-04 21:08:02Z

Hi, My name is Pat Marshall. James Madison Powers is my Gret Grandfather. Carl Dewey Powers was my Grandfather.

Re: Rudolph

glmccallum1 — 2013-06-03 21:15:30Z

I have information on the Rudolph family of Kimberley, South Africa. Regards - Graham Leslie McCallum glmccallum@telkomsa.net

Re: SITHOLE surname

jabulanis — 2013-06-03 10:51:02Z

I find the discussions on this platform interesting and confusing to some extent.

The little of the history i know from my elders is Sithole by origin are Nguni. A story is told that back in history in the times before Shaka there was a Nguni group that managed to find some medication for a disease that had caused serious problems killing calves. With their understanding of medicine a group found the correct medicine that saved calves, that gave them the name sithole (thole - calf) as people affectionately called them for the heroic act.

During the mfecane wars of Shaka the group of the Sithole were then equally affected and depending on where the groups were located as some remained in zulundand, while some who were close to Mzilikazi moved with him under the leadership of their leaders Magogo and Gampu Sithole.

Another group went through Mozambique and finally settled in Chipinge. The Group that went through Chipinge were with other Nguni groups.

A story is told that on reaching Chipinge because they were Nguni there were heard by the groups that occupied the land say "sindingi ndawo" they were then called "ndau" people who are always saying Ndawo.

Just to picked on a few few issues on why are the sitholes are all over the region i think there are a number of reasons the Shaka wars and intra-regional migration during mfacane and during the wenela time the gold mining rush in the 1950 to the 1970s.

And why are sithole with other groups Tsonga and others i would presume it was because of the scattering of the mfacane.

Re: SITHOLE surname

jabulanis — 2013-06-03 09:29:34Z

TARR FAMILY - ROY OR CARRIE (CAROLINE MILNE)

shannon_smith_70 — 2013-06-03 03:09:12Z

Looking for family of Carrie Tarr (nee: Milne). Her full name was Caroline. She was born in Forfar, Scotland to parents, Robert & Isabella Milne. She moved to South Africa and had her family there. Children were Anne, Gloria & Cynthia (Twins) & Mostyn (may have been known as Robert).
My Grandmother, Betsy Milne Ross, was Caroline's older sister.
Thanks,
Shannon Smith

Re: Cullinan, Tregidga, Mossop research

jane_cobbald — 2013-06-01 07:21:43Z

Hi Alan

I'm a remote cousin, not sure what exactly, sister of Alan and daughter of Rosemary. Mum has been talking about her trip to SA in 1949, and yes, her granny, married to Arthur William, was a Combrink. Not sure of her first name. Initially she said Connie Combrink but the next time we discussed it she queried that name.