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Re: Marais history

PeterBDerriman — 2009-11-08 18:52:48Z

I looked in NAAIRS and there are 5 entries possibly relating to him - you need to get the documents and that will probably help you track back further
MSB744a Miscellaneous Letters and Telegrams, South Africa. 1821 1983
MSCE 4011/1964 MARAIS, RENIE FRANCES CATHERINA. BORN IN CEDARVILLE, CAPE. S SP 1964 1965
MSCE 4658/1968 MARAIS, JERRY AURET. BORN IN WATERVAL. S SP MARAIS, GWENLLIAN FROY. 1968 1970
MHG 0 3207/57 AURET, MARTHA ELIZABETH. BORN MARAIS. 1957 1957
MHG 0 6319/58 AURET, HENRY HUGO. 1958 1958

Re: Marais history

lallascottage — 2009-11-08 17:49:10Z

Hi Elizabeth.My voorouers soos ek dit het is Marais en soos volg: Die stamvader was Charles Marais uit Frankryk 1638-1689.Was getroud met Catherine Taboureux.Hulle het 4 kinders gehad : Charles Marais(1668-1735)getroud met Anna de Ruelle;Claude Marais;Izaac Marais en Mari Marais.Charles en Anna het o.a twee seuns gehad:Charles(1695-1774)getroud met Maria Rossouw en Izaac getroud met Maria Magdalena de Menetrie.Charles en Maria het 6 kinders gehad:Daniël, Anna , Charles,Magdalena, Johannes Stephanus en Pieter.Ek stam van die Johannes Stephanus af.Hy was getroud met Maria Magdalena van der Merwe. Johannes en Maria het weer twee seuns en n dogter gehad:Johannes Stephanus;David Jacobus en Maria Magdalena.Ek stam van David Jacobus( 1799) af . Hy was getroud met Anna Johanna Maria Botes.Hulle het weer n seun gehad David Jacobus Marais (1838-1912)en was getroud met Geertruida Magdalena Janse van Rensburg.Hulle het n seun gehad :David Johannes Jacobus Marais(1877-1957) was getroud met Magdalena Gertruida Maria van der Merwe.Hulle dogter Hester Maria was my ouma en was getroud met Jan Jacobus de Beer, wat weer my vader se ouers was.Hoop dit help jou bietjie verder met jou soektog.Groete Riana

E.K.Green & Co

bronzecar351 — 2009-11-08 07:23:34Z

I am looking for family members of E.K. Green & Co Ltd.(Cape Town) I hope to make contact as we share a common father from the UK.
Regards, Jeff

Henry Octavian Perceval Wright and Violet Eleanor Grace Courtney-Bastard

carlaandchris — 2009-11-07 23:40:09Z

Hi, My GG Grandfathers Brother, Henry O.P. Wright (b 10 Oct 1849, Leamington, Warwick, England) and Violet (b abt 1866, Bromley, Kent, England) were married 10 Dec 1885 in St James, Westminster, Middlesex. They arrived in South Africa after Henry served in the Boer War on the Island of St Helena as a Commandant of a Prisoners Camp. They had three children,
Perceval Henry Wright b abt 1885 in Felpham, Sussex, England
Cecial Herbert Wright b abt 1886 in Felpham, Sussex, England
Daphne Eleanor Grace Wright b 04 May 1887, Rosebank, Blantyre, Scotland.
Henry Died - 28 Jan 1924 and there is an entry for him in the National Archives of South Africa
Depot KAB
Source - MOOC
Type - LEER
Volume - 6/9/2569
System - 01
Referenc - 3430
Part - 1
Descripion - Estate Papers

Violet Died in 1955 Estate papers also at National Archives.

Hoping to here from anyone related or could someone please tell me the best way to get a copy of the papers at the Archives. Thank you so much.

alfred harris warmsley and eric shaw warmsley

afrylk — 2009-11-06 23:50:18Z

Hi, Can anybody help me, i am doing my family research on my warmsley family.
I have completed most of it but now i am stuck.
Is there anybody here who has access to the south african records?
I know there are some in the archives, but i would need to subscribe to the ancestry site there.
The people i am looking for are:-
Mr alfred harris warmsley and mr eric shaw warmsley.
I hope you can help me,

Many thanks

Afryl kelly

Re: Attenboroughs/De Lange

hyltoncraig — 2009-11-06 17:40:30Z

Hi there my name is Hylton Attenborough my great grandfather was Bertie and my great grandmother was alice,
my grandfather was Harold Rayson and he was married to Agnes
and they had 3 sons and a daughter Norman Cecil (my Dad who passed away in 1993 and my mom Marina Doris who we lost last year)Dennis(passed away 3 yrs ago) Ivan who is 65 and Joy. I thank you for shedding so much light on this matter for me as i was at a dead end. If it is not to much to ask if you could e mail me anything you know and the other guy who knows quite abit it would be really appreciated and of course if i could help in anyway i will
thanks I am not a member of this site so i left my e mail
Hylton

Re: Fairweather in South Africa

bbbrick178 — 2009-11-06 06:29:13Z

HI Rhona
That would be great. My email add is; bbbrick@telkomsa.net
Look forward to hearing from you.

Regards
Bonita

Re: Fairweather in South Africa

Rhona97 — 2009-11-06 04:51:24Z

Hi :

My aunt is greatgrandaugher to Margaret Colville Gray, and have been doing some research for her. Her grandfather was William John c 1859. will be happy to share and put you in touch with my aunt

Rhona

Re: Fairweather in South Africa

bbbrick178 — 2009-11-06 04:07:59Z

Death Notice of Margaret Colvelle Gray Fairweather.
Birthplace of deceased: Balnabreich, Parish of Brechin, Forfarshire, Scotland.
names of parents: Alexander Gray and Ann Hunter
Died at age 33yrs, at the farm Devleur, district of Cradock.
Married to William fairweather. Children of the deceased ( James, Mary Ann, William and Charles Douglas ( all under ten years of age.)
reported by William Fairweather on July 32nd, 1863.
Filed 18 Aug 1863
Her daughter Mary Ann Fairweather married David Alexander Fitchet abt 1887 and then died on 18 Nov 1904. My husband is a descendent of their son David Alexander Fitchet born in Cradock on the 29 Oct 1890.

Re: Kenneth Hardy emigrated to South Africa 1946 from England. Info needed

thepagefamily125 — 2009-11-05 14:07:12Z

Hi, Thanks for your reply.

Most of the details are in the first posted message.
Kenneth Hardy was born in 1913, His wife was Olive maiden name Nelson. When leaving England they had one child Anna Maria born in 1940 although I can find no record of Olive or Anna travelling in the ships listings.
Kenneths father William died in 1944 and was buried on D-Day. And as far as we know his mother Alice Mary Anne travelled out as well.
I dont know what other info I can give you that may help but it sounds like there is a good chance that it cuold be that same person.

Regards Phil.

Re: Kenneth Hardy emigrated to South Africa 1946 from England. Info needed

hardy0404713 — 2009-11-05 11:42:35Z

Hi, I'm not sure if this is related, but my granddad is Kenneth Hardy and he emigrated to SA from England - it must have been around that time. Do you have any more details?

Re: Oelofse Family in South Africa

GwendaBetbeder — 2009-11-04 21:38:06Z

My husband's great aunt was Gertruida Johanna Oelofse, born in South Africa in 1916. I know nothing about her family. She married Victor Joseph Betbeder and had a son, Jean Marie Betbeder in 1945.

Gertruida died in 1946 and is buried in Boksburg.

Does anyone have any connections?

Regards
Gwenda
Auckland, New Zealand

Re: SITHOLE surname

VDSithole1 — 2009-11-04 07:47:34Z

Hi

History tells me that, when Soshangane came to settle in Ndau area running away from Zulu battles(under Shaka), he found Ndau people. Soshangane(also known as Manukosi,the grand father of Ngungunyana) and his people(Known as Gaza Nguni) reached the central Mozambique and earsten Zimbabwe which already inhabited by Ndau people in 1820's. For decades, the Ndau people were prejudiced by the Nguni speaking people(especially Ngungunyana). I am atold that Soshangane ruled over a military state with age regiments for male warriors based on the Zulu model in South Africa.

However, centuries earlier, Shona speaking(Karanga) chieftancies) had dominated some of the same TSONGA speaking groups that came to live under Soshangane(mind you, the Ndau people were always there, as Ndaus with their Ndau Chieftancies). At the beginning of the 19th century, the Tsonga chieftancies, had asserted their autonomy to establish themselves as culrurally distict from Ngunis and Ndaus.They then called themselves Shangani(after Soshangane) the first Gaza Nguni leader, who settled in their midst.

I would agree if you say, during the interaction and cross OR INTER marriages amongst Ndaus, Gaza ngunis, and Shanganis, SURNAMES AND TOTEMS WERE ALSO shared. thus, you may find Sitholes amongst all these groups. But thanks for your input, my search si still on, Hope to get more input on this subject.

Pleasee can you give me, the Sithole salutation, for example, Sithole Moyo or Chirandu or Mapfudze or Ntini. I am not sure. if you know this. Please help me.

Regards

Re: PENN FAMILY TREE

jxfischer — 2009-11-04 06:29:20Z

Hi I am the daughter of Shirley Labuschaigne, my mother is still alive and so is Daphne and Andrew Olivier. I now live in Australia

Re: SITHOLE surname

sitholeshl — 2009-11-03 20:28:13Z

hi
also there are a lot of pipo that they call their self sithole. but' original sithole is from mozambique kwasoshangani that is were sitholele come frm my father also is ndawu. my grandfather told us we are not ndebele we are shangani. are u stfd with this.

Transvaal Records

jbowerz — 2009-11-03 18:54:38Z

Hello,

I am looking for someone who can make me a copy of 2 records. I had engaged a researcher, paid her, but sadly she didn't deliver even after several reminders. I have NAAIRS data which indicates that the records are in the Transvaal Archives. I live in Canada.

Judith

Re: Oelofse Family in Port Elizabeth

SusanvanZyl56 — 2009-11-03 10:21:46Z

Hi Eckhardt,
My name is Susanna Aletta van Zyl, born Oelofse, daughter of Obed Eben Oelofse who was your grandfather's brother.
They were 4 sons of Nicolaas Johannes Oelofse, they also had 2 sisters.
That then makes me your father and his two sisters' cousin.
Claudine and Audrey.

Re: Budd and Bold

happyhen34 — 2009-11-02 23:43:20Z

my appologies they were my grandparents not ggrandparents.

Starrett of Bethlehem OFS

Barbara_Fabricius — 2009-10-18 19:36:12Z

I am looking for information on James (Jim) Starrett who married Helen Simpson. Jim had a brickworks and cartage contracting business in Bethlehem. He died in about 1938. Jim and Helen had 4 children, Robert Clifford Starrett who died young and I think is buried in Bethlehem; Francis James Fulton Starrett; Douglas Melvyn Starrett and Joyce Violet Starrett. I believe his estate number is 29751. I particularly would like to know his date of marriage and death. If anyone has any information about Jim Starrett please contact me. He was my Grand Uncle. My grandfather Francis Starrett who lived and died in Ladysmith was his brother.

du Plooy / Wheeler

Barbara_Fabricius — 2009-10-18 19:25:56Z

My paternal grandfather was Albert du Plooy who married Gladys Wheeler. They divorced. I am looking for information on Albert du Plooy who died in Durban sometime between 1950 and 1965. His son Ronald Robert du Plooy was my father. I am looking for any information I can find about Albert. At some time before his death he was living in Durban in a street off Point Road. Can anyone help?

Re: Royal Irish Constabulary

Barbara_Fabricius — 2009-10-18 19:06:38Z

My grandfather Francis Starrett went to South AFrica in 1899 with the RIC to fight in the Boer War. He joined the South African Constabulary (No 3279 3rd Class Tpr S.A.C.) after his one year contract with the RIC was up and got an honourable discharge after two years of service. Do you have a record of his service with the RIC.

Re: SCHOFIELD

rodclayburn — 2009-10-21 15:54:20Z

Hello again Sue,

Looks like that's it then.

Many thanks

Rod

Re: SCHOFIELD

rodclayburn — 2009-10-21 14:14:56Z

Hello Sue,

Really appreciated, I did think it may be that Salisbury, but as they were living in Cape Town a bit later, wondered if there was a Salisbury in S.A.

Thanks

Rod

SCHOFIELD

rodclayburn — 2009-10-20 14:55:05Z

RSA Specialists,

Vincent SCHOFIELD (Vinny) and sister Mildred SCHOFIELD (Millie) arrived in South Africa circa 1946.

Millie married a gentleman call Eric circa 1962.
Please can anyone advise how I might obtain Millie's married surname?I have a marriage photo that says 'PhotoArt, 29 Park Street. Salisbury'. Can anyone tell me where this is?

Many thanks for any assists.

Rod Clayburn

Re: Fivaz or De Fivas surname

michaelwooldridge2 — 2009-10-24 10:30:07Z

It was very interesting to hear from you this week of all weeks, because the lady who I was trying to help with this name invited me to tea and I was looking to see if I could find any more nuggets of information for her.
As I mentioned in my message in 2004 I had done considerable research for her, which now you have contacted me you can have copies of. With a name like Antoinette, I wonder can you read French? mine is only schoolgirl French. I do have some bits and pieces that I gleaned from the Society of Genealogists which I haven't tried to transcrie but you may be able to.
This family that I have worked on is very interesting. If you would like to send me your email address I will forward all that I have done and you can see if it is of interest to you. Maybe we can put our two heads together and get a few generations further back.
I do have access to quite a lot of records as I work as the voluntary researcher for the Bedfordshire Family History Society. Jean who this research is for is a personal friend and not one of our members.
my email is research@bfhs.org.uk
I look forward to hearing from you
Mary Wooldridge

Re: Fivaz or De Fivas surname

ellissea_1 — 2009-10-24 01:37:03Z

I am researching my family history in South Africa and have discovered the name Fivas in our family tree. Found on my mother's side of the family. According to my information I can trace the name to Mark Samuel Fivas b.1841 in George, Eastern Cape, but have no information preceding this. I am interested in any further information and in particular,if our Fivas family came from France (which is our family's assumption) or if they came from the Vaud canton in Switzerland. Any help would be appreciated.

Antoinette

Re: Descendants of Henry Dirk Jackson

jacksons138 — 2009-10-18 09:10:44Z

With regard to your query last month (Sept 2009) regarding Astrid Jackson - I am her younger brother, Henry, and would be willing to update you on Astrid and family if you would be so kind as to identify yourself to me. I have met most of Astrid's friends in France over the years whilst she was living there. I am also in contact with Paul Tanner - Tremaine who started this thread. His hobby is genealogy (family trees) and he has been putting our Jackson "tree" together for some time.

Re: James Franklin Hamilton

ehamilt33 — 2009-10-30 22:32:22Z

Curtis,

I am a direct Hamilton decsendant from this line. To be honest the buck stops here. The last surviving document is his death certificate which states his birth. Decatur Co.,Clay township, Indiana in the 1850 census and it was stated with his father, mother, and siblings. His fathers name was Thomas Hamilton but I do not have anything further. What I do know is that he might be a decsendant of Tennesse's Hamiltons, which are a big group and popular to this day or from Pensylvania, which I do not have any supporting documents. Because of the 1840's census only lists the Head of House Hold and not spouse or children it makes it very difficult to trace or cross reference. I believe the next approach would to find Thomas Hamilton's death certificate, which might state his birth and so forth. But I do not know what the common practices of those days may be. Either way, going through the DNA testing would be a better route but it links me to far back and does not clear up the gap in between. Lets cross our fingers and hope that you can find more info.

Re: Looking for STOLTZ Families...

conradstoltz — 2009-10-19 21:55:52Z

Hi, I'm Conrad Willem Stoltz, my dad is Gert Willem Stoltz and his dad was Coenraad Willem Stoltz. Eastern Travsvaal (Mpumalanga) South Africa

conradstoltz@mac.com

Re: Olivier ancestry in South Africa

knightowl — 2009-10-22 12:44:51Z

Have a look at this website for some background information on the Olivier's of South Africa.

http://home.intekom.com/oli4s/

Also have a peek at:

www.stamouers.com

McPherson/Hewitson

slborg1941 — 2009-10-25 16:50:04Z

Alexander McPherson b. abt 1856 UK married Mary S. Hewitson b. 1856, Lancashire, England. Had 4 daughters. Jessie b 1880 Yorksire, England married a George Loggie. Mary Loouisa b. 1884 Cape Colony, South Africa married Daniel Donald. Marjoria b 1886 Cape Colony, South Africa married Donald Fraser. Perla b 1889, Cape Colony, South Africa. I know George and Jessie lived in South Africa. Any help will be appreciated.

Re: SCHOFIELD

sueqpel173 — 2009-10-21 09:21:46Z

PhotoArt 29 park Street Salisbury - means the marriage probably took place in what was then Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. You may need to look for them a bit further north than south africa.
Regards Sue Bennett

Re: SCHOFIELD

sueqpel173 — 2009-10-21 14:26:25Z

No Salisbury in SA to my knowledge, but having lived in the Rhodesian one for many years, do know there is a Park Street in Salisbury (now Harare)

Re: ROGER GUTHRIE family from Logan County & Louisville, KY

gsg580659 — 2009-10-18 17:59:50Z

I dont know if cosmont member is still on rootsweb; I am just beginning, but I am following the same Guthrie family. Could you tell me the names of the 6 Guthrie children? I have 1) Mary (later O'Brien), b. about 1846 in Ireland, 2) Cordelia Bridget (some records have her as Bridget Cordelia; later Couadeau), b. 1854 in Ireland, 3) Margaret (later Murphy), b. about 1855-7 in New York, and 4) Kate/Catherine (later Burns), b. about 1865 in Louisville. Can you tell me the other two, or if you have different info for my above Guthries. ALso, when in Logan. THANKS SO MUCH.
C.J. Hughes

Re: Garforth surname

happyhen34 — 2009-11-02 18:51:40Z

I am wondering if the Garforth family are related to the bold/budd family Iam researching here in nz.

Re: Garforth surname

happyhen34 — 2009-11-02 18:49:41Z

I am wondering if the Garforth family are related to the bold/budd family Iam researching here in nz.

Re: Budd and Bold

happyhen34 — 2009-11-02 18:44:53Z

Hi thank you for this info. Yes I think you have provided me with very useful info. Ethel lonsdale bold and william eustace budd are the grandparents of my father and did live in wellington, nz. Unfortunately my father's parents divorced when he was young and all contact with the budd side ceased. So it has been a struggle to compile much info.
The information you have provided has given me a valuable leed.

Re: Budd and Bold

happyhen34 — 2009-11-02 23:41:56Z

wow exciting, I think maybe I am getting somewhere with my search. Yes please to more information on the bolds and budds?

Re: Budd and Bold

happyhen34 — 2009-11-02 23:23:43Z

wow exciting, I think maybe I am getting somewhere with my search. Yes please to more information on the bolds and budds?

Re: Budd and Bold

happyhen34 — 2009-11-02 23:17:55Z

thank you for your info. Your offer of more info on the bold family would be gratefully accepted. Also anything you have of the budds.

Re: S. African family search

happyhen34 — 2009-11-02 23:08:01Z

hi just wondering if their is any connection you have regarding ethel lonsdale bold, f.edward, ethel married william eustace budd and they moved to nz.

Re: Inturnment Camps 1900

shirleysmuts72 — 2009-10-26 08:52:54Z

Sorry about the spelling it should read Internment Camps.

Inturnment Camps 1900

shirleysmuts72 — 2009-10-22 08:35:03Z

Hi to all,
Can anyone tell me if there were any Inturnment Camps in the area of Maraisburg/Roodepoort, Transvaal in the 1900's.

Dina Johanna Susanna Nothnagel b. July 26 1897 d. 1949

Cutielynne — 2009-10-18 21:55:14Z

I am looking for the parents of Dina Johanna Susanna Nothnagel. She married Mattheus Gysbert Taute b. OCt 2, 1886, died 1953.Dina was born in Middleburg, South Africa and died in Brakpan in 1949. Any information would be quite welcome
Thank you Evelynne

Watson, Rule, Mortimer, Theobald ZAF

dabrees — 2009-10-22 21:06:00Z

Trying to find members of the WATSON family from Cookhouse,South Africa some of whom emigrated to Zimbabwe (Southern Rhodesia):
JOHN WILLIAM WATSON b.1887 TWIN
JAMES WATSON b.1887 TWIN
EDWARD WATSON
ARCHIBALD WATSON
LUCY MAY WATSON b.1891 (married: MORTIMER)
GLADYS WATSON b.1893 (married: THEOBALD)
AGNES SOPHIA WATSON b.1902 (married: RULE)
?? ROBERT DOUGLAS WATSON b.1896 (not sure)

Re: Searching for members of following jewish-baltic families: Keilman(n), Isakowitz, Mendelsohn, Hollender, Z(C)inneman, Porogo

smartinterior1 — 2009-10-27 20:30:31Z

how exciting...... I have started to trace my family history and there may be a connection. The fathest back I can go is Daniel (MOSES) and his wife MARY KARBEL..... this was changed to CARPEL and KARPEL and the CARPELS have stayed in the UK. I have found that on the 1911 census, the family are listed as coming from KOURLAND, which I beleive is modern day LITHUANIA. They had 7 children, Tilly, Gershon (JOSEPH), Sarah, Louis, Ada, Abraham (Alfred - my grandfather), Jacob/Jack and possibly 2 other children who died. They came to London around 1900, I suspect with other fmaily members. I have details of ISAAC, NATEY, LAZARUS and HYMAN.... but not much else to go on!
I'd be really interested to hear your family history and to see whether we indeed have anything in commom!
thanks in advance for your response to this .
All the best
Susan CARPEL

Re: Solomon Karpel from Lithuania to South Africa

smartinterior1 — 2009-10-27 20:22:29Z

Re: Budd and Bold

pcampsie — 2009-11-02 20:35:55Z

Glad it was helpful. I can provide more on the Bold side if you like (for example, Lonsdale was Edward's mother's maiden name), but I don't think I have all that much about the Budds.

If they were your great-grandparents, I think that makes us fourth cousins.

My Father- Michael Gagashe Zondi

landiwemtsh — 2009-10-30 02:52:39Z

Hi
I'm looking for relatives or siblings of the late Michael Zondi, He is my father, I was born at Kwa- Maphumulo- Okhalweni, my mother's name is Ruth (Babsie) Mtshali-she is also late I live in the Uk and didn't know him I only had pictures of him and have recently learned on google that he passed away last year. It will bring joy and peace to me to even know someone who knew him. thanks

Michael Owen in Pilgrim's Rest, Mpumalanga, South Africa

pat_locknar — 2009-10-18 23:28:06Z

Researching Michael Owen, son of John Michael Owen & Sally Evans. He was born 1905 in Cwm y Glo, Caernarvonshire, Wales and died Aft. 1994 in Pilgrim's Rest, Mpumalanga, South Africa.

In 1994 a Welsh TV documentary (Gwyn A'I Fyd) interviewed Michael Owen, Age 88, the last of the welsh community, living in the village of Pilgrim's Rest, South Africa. He left Cwm y Glo near Llanberis, North Wales and started working in Pilgrim's Rest on December 15, 1923, at age 18. Michael worked at the Dinorwig Quarry in Llanberis for 3yrs before coming here, but then the depression of the 1920's had no work in Wales. Michael stated that his father, John Michael Owen first came to Pilgrim's Rest in 1911 and returned home to Cwm y Glo, he then took his family back to Pilgrim's Rest, including his wife, Sally, a daughter, and two sons. There was a community of about 100 welsh people in Pilgrim's Rest when the family arrived. The family lived in a house on the main street in the village (now restored by the national museum).

In 1994 Michael Owen was the only Welsh man left in Pilgrim's Rest from the days when they produced gold. He and his wife Rhoda have lived in their house "Bryn Awelon" since 1938 and are the oldest residence of the village.